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Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine (2 year anniversary)
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Posted on 02/24/2024 5:59:01 AM PST by SpeedyInTexas

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To: SpeedyInTexas
November 21, 2025
Trump’s 28-Point Ukraine Plan

There seem to be several version or translation of Trump’s new ‘peace plan’ for Ukraine.

I believe that the one below, originally published (archived) by the Financial Times, is the most accurate version.

The plan as it is is dead in the water, stillborn or however you may want to characterize this collection of ill-defined, non-binding and ridiculous clauses. No one will ever accept it.

But it includes a few U.S. concessions to Russia that will be taken and preserved for later negotiations.

  1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.
  2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
  3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.
  4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
  5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.
  6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.
  7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
  8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
  9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
  10. US guarantee:
    1. The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.
    2. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.
    3. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.
    4. If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.
  11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.
  12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:
    1. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.
    2. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.
    3. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.
    4. Infrastructure development.
    5. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.
    6. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.
  13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
    1. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
    2. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
    3. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.
  14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.
  15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.
  16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.
  17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.
  18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
  19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.
  20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:
    1. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.
    2. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.
    3. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.
  21. Territories:
    1. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
    2. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
    3. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
    4. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.
  22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.
  23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.
  24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:
    1. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.
    2. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.
    3. A family reunification programme will be implemented.
    4. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.
  25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.
  26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.
  27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.
  28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

22,361 posted on 11/22/2025 11:11:33 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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I agree that neither Zelensky nor the Europeans/UK would accept any 3 of the above terms, but people are missing the points:
1) As Mercouris correctly notes: this is a set of negotiating points in writing. No more ambiguous verbal agreements.
2) If Europe AND Ukraine refuse to join in on this agreement, then Trump can legitimately say that he tried very very hard to achieve peace in Ukraine, that Russia had agreed in principle to the effort and that it is the Ukrainians who don’t want peace.
3) If only minority elements of Ukraine (ie the neo nazis, the existing power structure that gets replaced) and/or the Europeans refuse to join, then they are just out. As I noted before: Europe was presented with the opportunity to back up its Foghorn Leghorn chicken hawk talk with money and arms – and has failed to deliver either in sufficient quantities to matter.
4) Notice the complete absence of ceasefire mention in the negotiation points. It means Russia will continue its military negotiation track ie facts on the ground, even as the above points are negotiated between the US and Russia, with Ukraine and Europe looking in from a significant remove. That plus Kellogg’s resignation does mean something. And fuck him anyway.
5) notice also the complete absence of Western troops in Ukraine and the absence of US security guarantees for Europe. This is another indication that Europe has the option of jumping in itself, but at entirely its own risk. Which, of course, chicken hawks will never risk.
In general, the TDS still prevails among the commentariat – especially so in the alternative community. For some reason, the alternative commentariat seems to think Trump is an absolute monarch, a king, and furthermore should act like the tip of the elite spear which Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin operate as. Neither of these people are puppets, but both are working as the heads of multi-decadal organizations.
Trump has no multi-decadal organization; if anything, significant elements of his own organization are working against his goals. And there are multiple different groups of elements. Trump is balancing them against each other to try and achieve what he wants; the style exhibited thus far is very much in line with his business style as demonstrated in his TV series. Trump is perfectly open to letting anyone with credibility (as determined by Trump alone) to try anything so long as it does not obstruct the strategic path he has determined. This means lots of false starts, of swaying back and forth between different tactics, of a lot of hot air. It can absolutely result in stupid appearing attempts, because Trump is very much a believer in “if it is stupid and it works, it ain’t stupid” as well as testing the credibility of the presumed credible by giving them leeway to succeed or fail.
I repeat what I have said many times already: if we look at the US Senate and its control by both Democrat and Republican neo XXXs:
Why did this Senate approve so many of Trump’s very controversial cabinet? Why did they pass his budget bill on July 4 2025, when Biden – with a Democrat controlled Senate and House of Representatives – not get his budget approved until December 2021?Why did neither the House nor Senate significantly push back against so many of Trump’s domestic policies particularly around immigration?
And most importantly: what were the favors given/promises made in return for the above support?
So is the above plan going to be implemented? Certainly not as is. That’s what negotiations are about.
But in this case, IMO, the actual negotiations are not about what Russia wants – because that is crystal clear and Russia will achieve most of its goals regardless of what anyone in the West does. These negotiations are about giving those who are not top of the teat/base of the trough the chance to break through the present logjam of corrupt, self-enriching bastards in charge of Ukraine now. The replacements may well also be corrupt, self-enriching bastards but they would have to get into power by changing at least some of the official Ukrainian rhetoric.
Equally for Europe and the UK: these losers have already proven that they cannot handle the ongoing financial drain of monetary support for Ukraine, or have the military logistic capability of supplying Ukraine.
To obstruct the negotiations, they have to publicly commit to even more than what they have already failed to deliver. I see this as putting more straws on these camels’ backs, to ideally break them by giving their respective domestic opposition the ultimate proof of existing EU/UK leadership incompetence and fecklessness.
No one can say Trump did not publicly and repeatedly try to push India and China to stop supporting Russia by buying Russian oil.
No one can say that Trump is “soft” on Russia given Tomahawk threats and sanctions on Rosneft and Lukoil and the refinery infrastructure attack.
That’s how I view it.
What the precise outcome is – impossible to predict because of the cascade of decisions that have to be made in Ukraine, in the EU, in the UK.
To quote V for Vendetta: “So do you know what’s gonna happen?”
I don’t need to guess that Ukraine will lose. The only question is what and how fast. The how fast is clearly in the 6 months to 1 year, that I have been predicting. The what encompasses Kharkiv, Sumy, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk. Zaporozhie and Kherson cities are a done deal.
I don’t need to guess that Farage is going to become the next UK prime minister. He is mouthing the right words of not-not supporting Ukraine, but it is far from clear to me that he actually wants to support Ukraine – unlike Starmer and Sunak and Truss and Johnson.
I don’t need to guess that Macron is going to hold onto the French presidency until he has to be booted out like the former Georgian prime minister. And France will continue sliding down the stairs, banging its head on each step along the way, the entire time. If France is lucky, they will makes changes so this travesty won’t happen again.
I don’t need to guess that bankster Merz is going to bankster. That Germany will continue to deindustrialize even as its debt skyrockets. That AfD will eventually get into coalition with BSW and boot Merz out.
22,362 posted on 11/22/2025 11:13:59 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Putin said to himself -
“Self, since I am Vlad the barbarous, I will sell off this barbarous relic from me personal piggy Putin bank” “I will send me slaves out to mine some more, when they return from me meatgrinder” “For now I get me gold miners from Lil Kims rent-a-Nork”


22,363 posted on 11/22/2025 11:55:25 PM PST by dennisw (There is no limit to human stupidity / )
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To: PIF; BeauBo; blitz128; gleeaikin; Dot; adorno; Timber Rattler; SpeedyInTexas; dennisw; ...
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 22, 2025

Russian officials and state media continue to set information conditions to reject the US-proposed 28-point peace plan, indicating that the Kremlin is actively conditioning the Russian people to not accept anything less than a full victory in Ukraine. Russian State Duma International Affairs Committee First Deputy Head Alexei Chepa commented on the peace plan, stating that any plan must adhere to Russia's full demands.[1] Chepa reiterated that Russia's objective is for any peace settlement to address the alleged “root causes” of its war in Ukraine, a deliberately vague term that the Kremlin has long used as shorthand for its original war justifications and demands, such as the destruction of Ukrainian sovereignty and the NATO alliance.[2] Chepa implied that the proposed peace plan offers more concessions to Russia than previous proposals but is still insufficient to address Russia's maximalist demands. Russian state TV channels and milbloggers highlighted similar narratives, including those about how Russia would only participate in a peace plan that eliminates the root causes of the war ­— implying that Russia is not interested in any peace negotiations until it accomplishes its goals on the battlefield.[3] State Duma Defense Committee Member Andrei Kolesnik claimed that Russia will not give up any territories in Ukraine that it has illegally annexed, even areas that Russia does not fully occupy such as Zaporizhia Oblast.[4] Kolesnik’s statement indicates that the Kremlin is uninterested in making any territorial compromises. Kolesnik also reiterated the false narrative that a Russian victory in Ukraine is inevitable, such that Ukraine should submit to Russia's full demands now.[5] Russian Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR) Head and Duma Deputy Leonid Slutsky stated that the peace plan is a “good basis” for a settlement but that Russian advances in eastern Ukraine are “equally compelling arguments” — implying that Russia remains committed to continuing its war in Ukraine on the battlefield.[6] ISW continues to assess that a Russian victory is not inevitable, however, and that Ukraine and the West can leverage several key Russian weaknesses to force the Kremlin to negotiate and make real concessions.[7]

Ukrainian, American, and European delegations will meet on November 23 to discuss the US-proposed peace plan to end the war. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on November 22 that Ukrainian Presidential Office Head Andriy Yermak will lead a new Ukrainian negotiating delegation.[8] The delegation includes: National Security and Defense Council Secretary Rustem Umerov, Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of the Ukrainian General Staff Major General Andriy Hnatov, Ukrainian Foreign Intelligence Service (SZRU) Head Oleh Ivashchenko, First Deputy Foreign Minister Serhiy Kyslytsya, First Deputy National Security and Defense Council Secretary Yevheniy Ostryanskyy, Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) Deputy Head Oleksandr Pokland, and Advisor to the Ukrainian Presidential Office Head Oleksandr Bevz. Zelensky stated that Ukrainian, American, British, French, and German delegations will meet on November 23 in Switzerland to discuss the proposed 28-point peace plan.[9] Reuters reported that a US official stated that US Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll, whom US President Donald Trump reportedly appointed as a special envoy in the peace negotiations, will attend the upcoming talks in Geneva alongside US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.[10]

Ukrainian military officials continue to indicate that Ukrainian forces are pushing back Russian efforts to seize Kupyansk — in contrast to repeated Russian claims of seizing the town. Ukrainian Joint Forces Task Force Spokesperson Colonel Viktor Trehubov stated on November 21 that Russian forces continue to try to infiltrate into Kupyansk, but that the number of Russian soldiers in the northern part of the town has decreased to about 40 personnel.[11] The Russian military command began to exaggerate Russian successes in Kupyansk in late August 2025 — a narrative that the Kremlin has only intensified in recent weeks.[12] Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov and Russian Western Grouping of Forces Commander Colonel General Sergei Kuzovlev notably claimed to Russian President Vladimir Putin on November 20 that Russian forces had seized Kupyansk, and Russian milbloggers subsequently denied this claim.[13] ISW continues to assess that Ukrainian forces in the Kupyansk direction continue to contest the town and are in the process of rolling back a Russian effort to infiltrate the town.[14] ISW has not observed sufficient geolocated evidence to assess that Russian forces have seized close to all of Kupyansk as of November 22.

The situation in the Pokrovsk direction remains serious and dynamic as Russian forces continue attempts to seize Pokrovsk itself and encircle Ukrainian forces in Myrnohrad (east of Pokrovsk). Russian milbloggers claimed on November 21 and 22 that Russian forces seized Pokrovsk and advanced north of the town.[15] Russian milbloggers also claimed that Russian forces advanced along the T-0504 Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad highway in southern Rivne (between Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad).[16] Russian sources claimed that Russian forces have begun attacking into Myrnohrad along the T-0504 from Rivne and advanced in eastern Myrnohrad, likely in an attempt to fix Ukrainian forces within Myrnohrad while also tightening the encirclement around Myrnohrad and blocking Ukrainian egress routes from the town.[17] A Ukrainian servicemember acknowledged on November 21 that Ukrainian forces “completely” lost Pokrovsk and noted that Russian forces are attempting to narrow the egress route near Myrnohrad and Rivne.[18] The servicemember further stated that Russian forces have cut off all logistics into Myrnohrad and that Ukrainian forces will likely be unable to withdraw from the remaining, limited opening in the pocket.

The Russian military command continues to focus a significant number of forces to close the Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad pocket, which is resulting in heavy Russian losses. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported on November 22 that Russia has concentrated over 150,000 servicemembers for offensive operations in the Pokrovsk direction.[19] Chief of the Ukrainian General Staff Major General Andriy Hnatov told German outlet Die Zeit on November 20 that the Russian military command has amassed a large number of troops to take Pokrovsk and that there are about 400 Russian soldiers within the town.[20] Hnatov noted that urban areas are easier to defend and more difficult to seize, resulting in high Russian losses. The Ukrainian Eastern Operation Task Force reported on November 22 that Russian forces are maintaining a high intensity of attacks and are primarily concentrating efforts on seizing Pokrovsk itself, despite heavy losses forcing the Russian military command to tap into operational reserves.[21] The Russian military command notably redeployed elements of the relatively elite 76th Airborne (VDV) Division to the Pokrovsk direction to support Russian efforts to seize the pocket, likely due to the slowing tempo of Russian advances in the area.[22] ISW continues to assess that Russian forces will very likely complete the seizure of Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad after a 21-month campaign, though the timing and operational implications of these seizures remain unclear at this time.[23]

Authorities recently reported multiple drone sightings over air bases and airports in the Netherlands. Dutch Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans reported that authorities observed unidentified drones flying over Volkel Air Base near Eindhoven, a Royal Netherlands Air Force base that hosts a US Air Force squadron as part of NATO, on the evening of November 21.[24] Brekelmans reported that attempts to shoot down the drones were unsuccessful and that authorities never recovered the drones after they flew away. Brekelmans reported that authorities also observed multiple drones at Eindhoven Airport on November 22 and subsequently suspended civilian and military air traffic.[25] Dutch authorities have not identified an actor behind the drone overflights as of this writing. These are the latest in a series of drone sightings over European airports and air bases in recent weeks, which come against the backdrop of Russia's intensifying “Phase Zero” campaign to destabilize Europe, undermine NATO's cohesion, and set the political, informational, and psychological conditions for a potential future Russian war against NATO.[26]

Ukrainian forces reportedly recently downed at least 19 Kinzhal ballistic missiles with electronic warfare (EW), likely in response to Ukraine's Patriot air defense interceptor missile shortages and Russian Kinzhal modifications. Servicemembers of the Ukrainian Night Watch EW unit told online outlet 404 in an article published on November 20 that the unit downed 19 Kinzhals over the past two weeks (roughly from November 6 to 20) and later revealed to Forbes that the unit may have downed 21 Kinzhals over an unspecified time period.[27] Night Watch servicemembers stated that they use the Lima EW jamming system, which spoofs the Kinzhals’ navigation system by creating a disruption field that prevents the missile from communicating with satellites within the Russian GLONASS system. The Lima EW system causes the missile to become confused about its location and rapidly change direction at a high speed, putting excessive stress on the airframe that causes the missile to ultimately fail to reach its target. A Night Watch servicemember noted that Ukrainian forces began to jam Kinzhals with the Lima system as an adaptation to Ukraine's shortage of Patriot interceptors and limitations of the air defense systems, likely referring to Russia's new technological innovations that allow Kinzhals to bypass Patriots. The Financial Times (FT) reported on October 3 that Russia likely recently modified its Iskander-M and Kinzhal ballistic missiles to execute unexpected diversionary maneuvers during the terminal flight phase to “confuse” Ukrainian Patriot interceptor missiles.[28] Ukrainian forces have still been able to down Russian ballistic missiles with Patriot systems since the reported Russian modifications.[29] Ukrainian forces will continue to need both new EW systems and Patriot systems to repel persistent Russian drone and missile threats, particularly Russian ballistic missiles, despite these successful Ukrainian adaptations, in order to ensure continuous and reliable defenses throughout the country.

Russian forces are continuing to commit war crimes on the battlefield in Ukraine, particularly near Pokrovsk. The Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office opened an investigation on November 22 into a video showing Russian forces executing five captured and unarmed Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) near Kotlyne (southwest of Pokrovsk) on November 19.[30] Article 13 of the Geneva Convention prohibits any unlawful act or omission by the detaining power which causes death or seriously endangers the health of a POW while in custody.[31] ISW has observed an increase in Russian war crimes in the Pokrovsk direction in recent weeks as Russian forces have approached and infiltrated the town.[32]

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-22-2025/

22,364 posted on 11/23/2025 2:18:00 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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Day 1,367 of the Muscovian invasion. 920 [average is 851] i.e. more than 38 Russians, Norks and Cubans/h. Vehicles and fuel tanks more than 60% above average


22,365 posted on 11/23/2025 2:46:45 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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