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To: Grey182
We know that the Israeli government knew Hamas was going to attack. Reports are they moved 60-80% of their standard deployment away from the Gaza border to the West Bank on the 50th anniversary on the ‘73 war.
The Egyptians deny giving Israel specific information about the time and location of the attack. In the weeks before the large invasion from Gaza, Israel had been attacked from the West Bank and Jews were being attacked in Jerusalem in our month of holidays. Gaza was quiet and had been for months. And Hezbullah was running exercises in the north. Israel should have called up some reserves, but there was no desire to do so during holidays.

The attacks area political disaster for Netanyahu and for the left in Israel, which dominated the military, intel, and the deep state. Most of the civilians killed, raped, and kidnapped came from Leftist and pro-peace Kibbutzes and those at a pro-peace rave.

No counter assault occurred for seven to twelve hours
That isn't actually true. There were local counter attacks, but the main army forces were out of place. Israel was also hit by cyber attacks.

One woman from a kibbutz said on Israeli radio that the captors treated them well and that, in her area, everyone else died in the crossfire, including her husband, except herself, another woman and the Hamas Commander who surrendered by stripping down and following her out of their building. Should we believe the MSM?
Not the communists, Islamists, and Nazis you rely on. Multiple prisoners were made to make false statements to hamper IDF counter-attacks.

Video from the hospital bombing suggests the Israelis hit the hospital, but reports say the Israelis did warn them ahead of time.
Stop using Hammas-collaborating MSM, communist and Nazi press. The Hospital wasn't hit. The building is intact. Photos, film, and satellite pictures prove this The Islamist rocket his the parking lot setting cars on fire.

What is true and what isn’t.
We give you facts and resources at FR. You chose to believe Hamas/MSM lies.

Have I not found the fatwa, only comments I discussed before. Everyone, seems to be suggesting that forced rape of captives is against Islam, are they saying the rapes didn’t happen because these are devout Muslims? I just have questions.
You know nothing of Islam.

The Massacre of the Banu Qurayzah


The prisoners, thus condemned, were kept in the house or compound of a Muslim woman d. Al-Harith of the banu al-Najjaar tribe. In the morning they were marched out to a trench which had been dug in the city's market, and executed by decapitation [7] . According to the sira of Ibn Ishaq, one woman was amongst them. The other women and the children were given as sexual and labor slaves to the Muslims, with only boys who had not yet reached puberty being allowed to live. According to the sira, the haul of weapons and plunder was substantial, but Muhammad still sent some of the women and children to be sold in the Najd for more horses and weapons [8]. Muhammad as was custom received his pick of the loot including his pick of the females, a beautiful Jewish named Rayhana whose husband was decapitated, and the rest went to all the rest of the Muslims, with a Muslim on horse receiving 3 times the spoils of a foot soldier [9].

44 posted on 10/23/2023 11:58:52 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: rmlew

You and the others have convinced me Hamas also condones rape of Jews. To be honest I never said or believed that Hamas didn’t condone rape of Christian and other non-muslim women, save for the Jews.

We could quibble about the Egypt warning and which official was actually in the know, so here is a US warning.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/10/13/cia-issued-warnings-about-potential-escalated-hamas-attacks-on-israel-days-before-strike/?sh=5102b9d75186

Just remember the West Bank is surrounded by Israel and weapons are hard to come by, unlike in Gaza which has port access. Extra Reservists should have been called up. The Govt and the Mossad knew something was coming. Prior to the attack when the Gazans would launch attacks with rockets they use infiltration teams, boats and tunnels etc.. This has all the marks of an intentional weakening of the border.

Hospital attack (yes the hospital was hit by a blast wave at very least). The missile that hit the hospital or next to the hospital was traveling at supersonic speeds. It is impossible for a detached rocket warhead to accelerate to Mach speed after it’s rocket engine had been destroyed by an intercepting Iron Dome rocket (which left rocket propellant burning in the sky).

Just because Hamas is bad doesn’t make the Israeli government automatically pure as the wind driven snow or immune to embellishing crimes.

I don’t have time for more, I wish I could find the panoramic video of the hospital near miss from an Israeli building, showing a line of air strikes that intersected with the hospital, but I saw it on another device which is at a different location. Sorry.

Over and out.


46 posted on 10/24/2023 6:49:29 AM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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