You lose
When you refuse to address the facts and go in for that sort of infantile intellectually incoherent deflection response, you prove yourself utterly incapable of rational adult thought
Good job showing yourselves far too childish to be taken seriously by anyone on this board.
The Ukraine was part of Russia for over 240 years, longer than America’s been a nation. The mere 30 years of Ukraine independence, less than a generation, does not mean that it is a truly independent state. If you look at European history, you can see that borders shift and change every generation and that the Ukraine-Russia War is a Slavic civil war that America is getting into for its own advantage.
Zeepers can rant and rave as much as they want but facts are facts. The Ukraine is already dead. The Ukraine’s population is half of what it once was due to immigration, fleeing a corrupt, criminal state, and casualties in the war. The Ukraine economy is gone with the industrial areas the Ukraine occupied by Russia and Russian speaking locals.
You have lost the Ukraine, get over it.
I find it interesting that in your about page you use leftist talking points such as “One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq.”
“Disinformation” and “misinformation?” You are a leftist larping as a patriot but you are all about war used as a distraction for our troubles at home.