So, perhaps a majority of persons born in Massachusetts are not citizens, and their children are not citizens, and they are just a bunch of non-citizen non-aliens. The horror!You will have to ask your strawman how he arrived at that conclusion, because you certainly can't get there from anything I said.
[DiogenesLamp #353] "Deemed, adjudged, and taken to be," mean "lets pretend."
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[woodpusher] Again, just asking for a friend. Does a naturalization actually create a citizen, or is it just pretend?[DiogenesLamp] It creates an adopted citizen.
Is a naturalized citizen a citizen? Not an adopted citizen or a pretend citizen or whatever qualifier you use, change and remove to label them as the other. I did not ask if they were natural born citizens. I did not ask if they were eligible to be the president. I asked if after the naturalization the subject is a citizen.
Is the child of two of your pretend citizens a natural born citizen?
Is the child of your adopted citizens a natural born citizen?
We have two classes of citizen, and two only: natural born and naturalized. Citizens are either born citizens, or naturalized at some time after their birth.
Yes. I think i've answered this several times.
Not an adopted citizen or a pretend citizen or whatever qualifier you use, change and remove to label them as the other.
A naturalized citizen is an adopted citizen. What is so difficult to understand?
Is the child of two of your pretend citizens a natural born citizen?
You are using "pretend" as a derogatory, but the child of naturalized citizens is a natural citizen, certainly if born within the USA, and in my understanding of the original intent, if born outside the limits of the US to an American father serving the nation.
Citizens are either born citizens, or naturalized at some time after their birth.
I assume you are familiar with the Calculus terminology "as it approaches zero"?
Well that's where you are with naturalized "at birth."
Any child who obtains his citizenship due to a law passed by congress is a naturalized citizen, even if that citizenship is declared to apply "at birth."
This is the difference between man made naturalization and natural citizenship.
Congress plays absolutely no role in the citizenship acquired by natural born citizens.