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To: DiogenesLamp
[DiogenesLamp #364] Saying someone will be treated like and regarded as a "citizen" doesn't actually make them a citizen. It still doesn't say they are "natural born citizens."

What does it take to for a sovereign state to make one a citizen of that sovereign state? Hypothetically, would a declarative statement such as, "is hereby declared to be a citizen" do it? In the Law of the Imagination™, what would be the magic words?

Were there any words that a free, sovereign and independent pre-Constitution state could use to naturalize a person into a citizen of said state?

Prior to the Constitution, all States were, by the terms of the Articles, free, sovereign and independent. Naturalization was a State function, each with its own set of rules. Does the Law of the Imagination™ consider all pre-Constitution naturalizations null and void?

As the State was the sovereign, what higher power prevented the sovereign State from naturalizing one of its residents into a citizen of the State?

372 posted on 09/06/2023 9:00:12 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher
Hypothetically, would a declarative statement such as, "is hereby declared to be a citizen" do it?

I would think so. So long as they leave out the words "natural born" they are fine.

Were there any words that a free, sovereign and independent pre-Constitution state could use to naturalize a person into a citizen of said state?

They could naturalize them any way they chose, but naturalization would not make them "natural born." Naturalization is just adoption.

It gives the same rights and privileges, but it's not the same as being born as a member of the family or nation.

Does the Law of the Imagination™ consider all pre-Constitution naturalizations null and void?

Why are you going on and on about naturalization? Have we not yet grasped the distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born"?

As the State was the sovereign, what higher power prevented the sovereign State from naturalizing one of its residents into a citizen of the State?

Nothing, but "naturalization" has nothing to do with the requirements for the Presidency.

That requirement is "natural born."

381 posted on 09/06/2023 1:11:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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