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Trump Leads with DeSantis Falling to Third Place in Latest South Carolina Poll
The Last Refuge ^ | July 23, 2023 | Sundance

Posted on 07/24/2023 9:11:30 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: napscoordinator

Yeah, disagree with your narrative.

Best


21 posted on 07/24/2023 10:02:05 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Have a great day and week!!!!!


22 posted on 07/24/2023 10:03:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: SoConPubbie

I know some folks just don’t want hear reality, but here it is anyhow...

As of Jan 7, 2020, Donald J. Trump was the Republican nominee for 2024, as long as he decided to run.

Had he not decided to run, then we would be having an entirely different discussion, but he has, and as such he will be the nominee.

All the rest of the circular firing squad of candidates, are left desperate for attention, and cash, and relevance, and just like in 2016, they have to rely on the establishment donors and money men, who have been selling out the US for decades to exist... and as such they are all, just like 2016, simply shills of the machine.

The folks who just don’t like Trump, will bounce from candidate to candidate hoping to that someone, anyone will offer them something and have a prayer, and this group will continue to shrink as the primary voting goes on.

Reality is simple this, Trump will almost certainly sweep the primaries from the start, and while the media will continue to try to push the narrative that this is a race, by the end of March 5th, even the most brain dead will know (even if they won’t admit it) that Trump is the nominee.

The establishment GOP and media will try to keep pushing that this is a contest but it won’t be.

The race to watch, that has potential to be interesting is the D side, their candidate is a joke, and RFK is a real threat, if he can bust out, the amount of fraud and corruption that will be unleashed to stop him will make what has been done to Trump look like nothing.


23 posted on 07/24/2023 10:07:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: napscoordinator

And Desantis had to have Trump carry him across the finish line when he ran against a corrupt drug addict....

Funny how Desantis’ folks always leave that part out.

Desantis is a good administrator, and a sharp guy, but he’s a LOUSY retail politician. He has destroyed any chance for national elected office, by being utterly tone deaf... he’s exposed himself as a shill for the establishment.... and took himself from an almost certain front runner in 2028 to no chance for national elected office.

Desantis is basically learning the lessons a few other young men did in 2016, Rubio and Cruz... who’s ambition outstripped their abilities and caused major long term damage to both their brands.


24 posted on 07/24/2023 10:12:48 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: napscoordinator

And you as well!


25 posted on 07/24/2023 10:30:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: euram

A little early for that now. But i’m sure they have their
plans in order for disclosure when time is appropriate.


26 posted on 07/24/2023 10:50:37 AM PDT by deport
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To: HamiltonJay

DeSantis won by 20 points. Trump lost his election. Trump is poison electorally. He only in 2016 barely by the most hated woman is america.


27 posted on 07/24/2023 11:01:07 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: SoConPubbie
I don't think this poll says what the headline leads the reader to think it says, based on the actual toplines and cross-tabs. Digging into the details shows a slightly different picture.

It's quite reasonable that Haley would come in second in South Carolina because she's a Favorite Daughter.

HOWEVER, question 3 of the Topline asks who the first and second choices are and Haley beats DeSantis here in the first choice. But when you look at the combined first and second choice, DeSantis beats Haley by 3%.

When you take out the state-specific Favorite Daughter effect, DeSantis beats Haley.

When you break it down by the issues, we see this:

So, DeSantis and Haley are statistically tied in South Carolinians DEFINITE support as well as NEVER support, but DeSantis edges out Haley in combined first and second choices because he's seen as more able than Haley to beat Joe Biden.

Mike Pence is the clear disfavored candidate in South Carolina.

-PJ

28 posted on 07/24/2023 11:06:38 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: napscoordinator

Desantis won by about 33k votes against a corrupt drug addict, and only because Trump swooped in at the last minute at dragged him over the finish line.

When Desantis as the sitting governor of Florida loses the Primary in Florida Handily to Trump, and is utterly humiliated, what will you say then?

Trying to equate a victory in 1 state to a national election is comical... Trump won Florida twice as well, but lets not point that out either.

Desantis is going to be absolutely humiliated when as the sitting governor of a state can’t even win it during a primary contest.

Hell, even Kasich as a FORMER sitting governor was able to win Ohio in 2016...


29 posted on 07/24/2023 11:10:45 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

He won by 20 points. Why are you lying?


30 posted on 07/24/2023 11:12:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: napscoordinator

No he did NOT win 2018 by 20 points, he won by about 30k votes, and was on target to lose until TRUMP came in and carried him over the finish line....

Get informed.


31 posted on 07/24/2023 11:15:35 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

You are clueless to forget we’ve had elections since? And without trump’s involvement, DeSantis did better next election. DeSantis did better in 2018 than trump did in 2016 and 2020. Lol.


32 posted on 07/24/2023 11:22:51 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: odawg

Trump has been the most conservative candidate since Reagan.


You Trump-or-Die types have gone completely off the deep end.

Trump lost in 2020. He’ll lose again in 2024. He’s a loser.


33 posted on 07/24/2023 11:35:43 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: napscoordinator

Clueless? You want to live in a vacuum.

You continue to try to compare apples to oranges, you are like the climate scientists who want to cherry pick data, and ignore all the other data.

Desantis has ZERO shot at a national election win, he is going to be absolutely humiliated with this poor decision to run this cycle... He won’t even win the PRIMARY in the state he is the sitting governor of, yet you want to claim his 2022 victory is proof he can win nation wide.

If Desantis is such a winner, and Trump is such a loser, please, tell everyone watching WHY THE HELL HE IS LOSING TO TRUMP by over 30 points??

He is literally going to lose the Primary in the state his is the sitting governor of next spring, but you want to argue he’ll do better than Trump nationally?

Doesn’t add up.

IF Desantis is great in Florida, and Trump beats Desantis in Florida (which he is going to handily do), that means Trump > Desantis in Florida.

Desantis won as an incumbent against CRIST for heaven’s sake... a man NO ONE wanted, a former governor, who left the Republicans to become a Democrat, he was the candidate because literally no one else was even willing to run... With Crist as the adversary anyone would have won Florida by a large margin... CONTEXT MATTERS.

You can keep deluding yourself all you like, but Desantis is a DUD as a national candidate... We’ve been through how many rounds of “just you wait, Desantis will break out” already? 3 or 4??

Oh, wait until he formally announces.... Nothing..

Oh, wait until Trump gets indicted... Nothing...

Oh, wait until Desantis relaunches his campaign... Nothing...

Give it up.. the man does not have it... He has absolutely no presence, is a terrible retail politician, and will likely be down in single digits by the time voters start casting votes next spring.

You are welcome to keep playing selective data points to prove the earth is warming and we’re all going to die, but the reality is, Desantis is done.... He peaked back in February when he was an IDEA, pushed largely by the MSM as a Trumpslayer... then the electorate actually got to see him and for the most part the more they see of him, the lower he polls, because they IDEA pushed of what he is, and what he actually is, don’t jive.

Come March 19, 2024, we’ll see just how great Desantis is as a candidate, when he loses the Florida Primary by almost certainly multiple double digits to Donald Trump.


34 posted on 07/24/2023 11:45:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Neither one has a chance. Hopefully someone will come out of this mess. Trump has 20 percent of the total electorate guaranteed. He needs the rest of the republicans and over half the independents for a chance. I don’t he can keep his mouth shut long enough to add voters.


35 posted on 07/24/2023 11:48:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: HamiltonJay; napscoordinator; ConservativeWarrior

THIS!!!!


36 posted on 07/24/2023 11:57:39 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: napscoordinator

Hate to break this to you, but Trump is currently leading Biden by around 18 points among independents among likely voters...

The NeverTrump/Uniparty/GLobalist/Establishment GOP wing can wring their hands all they like, but its not going to change anything.

Those dumb republicans who voted for Biden last time because they hate Trump have largely learned their lessons... they won’t make that mistake again... They may not like it, but most will never vote for Biden again.


37 posted on 07/24/2023 12:02:52 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ConservativeWarrior

“Trump lost in 2020. He’ll lose again in 2024. He’s a loser.”

If you actually believe that the Sniffer got over 81 million votes, more than even Obama, without ever campaigning, then your are a grand loser when it comes to rationality.

Now Trump ran on his record and got more votes than any other incumbent president in our history.

Yes, the election was stolen.


38 posted on 07/24/2023 12:04:44 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Responsibility2nd

The true story in this particular article is why Scott and Haley are getting clobbered so badly in their home state. The fact that DeSantis is competitive with them in SC is a plus for him. On a larger scale, I expect DeSantis’ organizational effort will enable him to pull off a win in Iowa, followed by New Hampshire, where the popular current governor despises Trump. This will rattle Trump to the point of desperation. After that is anyone’s guess.


39 posted on 07/24/2023 12:07:51 PM PDT by pkajj
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To: HamiltonJay

I don’t believe that crap. After being told we’d win 30 house seats and 6 senate seats in 2022. I doubt any poll is accurate. Voters will vote who they want regardless of what polling choice is given


40 posted on 07/24/2023 12:31:12 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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