Posted on 07/06/2023 8:54:09 AM PDT by frithguild
To my knowledge, no one has argued that women evolved recursion before men. This seems like low-hanging fruit, given it’s the oldest story in the book. Indigenous cultures worldwide have myths of a primordial matriarchy where women reigned; which is about the political divide one would expect if recursion were initially gendered. Closer to home, Eve first tasted the fruit and became as the gods, knowing good and evil. Presumably, she spent time as a reflective agent while Adam lived in Edenic ignorance. In this post, I’ll put forth a more detailed model about why I think women evolved recursion before men, and when it happened.
(Excerpt) Read more at vectorsofmind.com ...
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Really?
How long was that time? 1 minute? 1 hour? 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? 1 decade? 1 century? 1 millennium?
Don't presume that which you can never know.
Calling one's self?
Oh good, that clears it up ... Bwhhahahahahahahaha
Seems like putting the cart before the horse to speculate on the origin of consciousness, or if it may have evolved, and if so, how it evolved, when science has yet to even come up with a satisfactory definition of consciousness, or any way to measure or quantify it.
Well, if the first curse doesn’t take, sometimes you have to recurse ‘em.
It is an interesting proposition. Recursive thought basically allows humans to do things like count and have our “inner voice”. This type of thought is not present in animals. So when did it emerge in humans? The author posits 50 to 100 thousand years ago for women and much more recently for men. Perhaps the holocene or even more recently.
I highly recommend reading the article - re ursive thought differentiates humans from beasts. If recursive thought is a recent evolutionary adaptation emerging when the author posits, it coincides with the rise of civilization.
Terence Mckenna covered all this thirty five years ago.
This type of thought is BELIEVED TO BE not present in animals.
The author seems to be making a postulation and not a presumption. I suggerst you take the time to read.
Beasts do not have recursive thought while humans do. There came a time when recursive thought emerged, the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, if you would. With our ability to examine genomes, when this happened may well be an interesting pursuit of knowledge.
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Believed not to be might be a better for.ulation of the postulation. However, beasts do not engage in thinking that conceptualize complex mathematics. The author postulates that recursion in thought permits humans to think in this manner.
“This type of thought is not present in animals.”
Rather, we don’t believe this type of thought is present in animals. It is impossible for us to actually know what is present in the thoughts of animals, because we can’t experience that, observe it, or measure it in any reliable way. The best we can do is try to come up with tests that might detect it if it was present, by the external reactions and behavior of the animals.
“So when did it emerge in humans?”
The question is based on an unsupported assumption. We have no idea that it ever “emerged” at all. For all we know the first human to exist already had the capability.
Recursion? A word only an overeducated idiot would use. Does it have to do with the way my Bow is shaped?
God did not need a woman standing there telling Him how to make Adam.
The author of this piece notes that hallucinogens, inuding in snake venom, may have played a role in rituals that assisted in the emergence of recursive thought (self awsreness) on an individual basis. There are feminine snake cults throught history in many parts of the world. For example, Babies do not engage in recursive thought until they are 1 1/2 to 2 years old. Was it that recursive thought in pre- holocene males emerged later in life assisted by such rituals?
Maybe. Dhowever, do we have any evidence whatever that any animal counts to 100 or can conceptualize what 1,000 is? See e.g. Butterworth, Can Fish Count?: What Animals Reveal About Our Uniquely Mathematical Minds. I think we can agree that this kind of thought is unique to humans.
I would say yes. https://www.vectorsofmind.com/p/deja-you-the-recursive-construction
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