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Now Shoigu is blaming Prigozhin for the loss of a few blocks in Bakhmut. Of course, Wagner withdrew all his men from there weeks ago. This must be demoralizing for the guys in the trenches.
Other than getting rid of Shoigu and Gerasimov (and maybe surviving), I can’t see a good outcome for Prigozhin.
Do these appear to be what the title indicates?
unconfirmed reports that Wagner has surrounded the Russian Southern Military District HQ in Rostov
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672424964086169600?s=20
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672427667365216260?s=20
Wagner just took control of Russian military HQ in Rostov.
Wagner now moving to take Voronezh on the way to Moscow after taking Rostov.
LOL. The Putinas are flummoxed. Silent and awaiting their new Kremlin gaslighting talking points from Moonbat of Alabama and Duran Duran.
Yep. Prigozhin is going to end up dead, jailed or exiled. My guess is he’ll go back to Africa.
If this story keeps panning out I have been wondering if it could be related to the recent low-key talk from Ukraine about their offensive and their putting out that they were slowing down for a while.
If there was intelligence bubbling around about a possible coup attempt, the Ukrainians may have felt that reducing their threat profile would contribute to the Russians acting more on their internal interests.
Perhaps Prigozhin really has been in contact with the Ukrainian government.
Lol no feelings hurt, just responding to your claims and countering them
Thinking another example of pot calling kettle black
Feel free to keep enlightening us with your brilliance
Quite enjoyable actually
Great things happening in “winning” Russia tonight
Master strategist
There is a club of “angry patriots” of which Prigozhin is an ideologist.
Their idea is that the approach to the war is too soft and that the government is planning to end it through normalization and a deal with the West.
Their ideas have some support in the military, as do Wagner’s ideas in general, but certainly not in this form.
All in all, Wagners have been useful in the last 10 years and have had a great potential for the future. If everything is true, it is a pity to lose them this way.
Thanks, that sounds reasonable but what about the military situation in Russia tonight, give us some input on the tweets in post 142 and what gaining that city and military command and the war stocks there gives Wagner.
The current claim is that Wagner has occupied SMC headquarters.
Look at these bystanders in Rostov as Wagner troops get ready for battle in the streets
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672439178238341121?s=20
Putin fleeing Moscow for Sochi right now.
There are armed people and armor in the center of Rostov-on-Don. If they take the city hall and the army headquarters, they will gain nothing. Even if some in the military agrees with some of their ideas and disagrees with the General Staff on the war, it doesn’t mean that the army will support this clown show.
“I’m beginning to think that giving a psychopath his own private army of criminals was not a good idea.”
Isn’t Rostov a major supply hub for the Ukraine war?
Wouldn’t it be full of troops who should be resisting Wagner and defending the city and its own headquarters until reinforcement arrive?
True, but there is no fighting. Just Wagner and MPs staring at each other in the downtown.
I am yet to figure out what do they want. Based on previous Prigozhin’s rants he wanted DefSec and Chief of Staff sacked.
So it could be not so much a coup as a negotiating maneuver?
Are they moving on Voronezh? How will this affect the front in the coming days as this continues?
“Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin announced that anti-terrorist measures are being taken in Moscow, which are aimed at strengthening security measures after Wagner PMC chief was accused of instigating a rebellion against the top brass.
The situation is developing and some have even suggested martial law may be needed.
Even though the Wagner PMC chief has said it is not a coup and is only aimed at the top military brass.”
https://twitter.com/GeopoliticsW/status/1672449721015881729
Who knows? Ukrainian trolls spread so much BS that I only believe what I see.
Regarding war situation, Wagners have been withdrawn after Bakhmut.
If there is effect then it is as a talking point for the Ukrainian propaganda.
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