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To: PIF; freeandfreezing
To PIF:

Some? How do you know? Were you involved with military imagery in some respect?

Even a layman can recognize obvious editing. See post #68 for an example.

Face it, your comrades have lost a lot of equipment, tanks and all. Not to mention 50% the best of the best and the cream of the crop of your elites units. A rather more important stat then tanks

The Russians are not my comrades. Neither are the Ukrainians.

To freeandfreezing:

Sure they have.

The only video game footage I've seen from the current conflict as being passed off as the real thing (usually from Arma 3) has been from Ukrainian sources. I can't say I've seen the same from Russia thus far in the current war, and I can't speak for prior conflicts.

Along with trying to pass off 2014 photos from Wikipedia as photos supposedly taken last week, and recycling combat video and still images of their own losses and claiming they were losses by Ukraine.

What a coincidence; one of the most prominent anti-Russian posters tried to do the same just a few weeks ago. See post #45 and my geolocation research in post #53.

The Russian propaganda effort is very large, and you can see some of it being posted here on Free Republic on a daily basis.

Likewise pro-Ukrainian propaganda.

The independence comes from being able to look at the raw data they are using yourself. No need to believe them, and it doesn't matter who they worked for before, even though Bellingcat has a very good reputation for open source intelligence work.

The problem is that the "raw data" in question isn't procured directly by the two Dutchmen who founded Oryx; rather, they parse social media, and their ability to control for quality depends very much on the motives, circumstances, and competency of the individuals uploading the images and footage in question. They're not actually "on the ground" in Ukraine to independently verify any of the images they've been provided, as far as I'm aware.

(Also, for what it's worth, Bellingcat is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy and a bunch of other dubious organizations.)

I maintain my prior opinion that instead of pushing for more escalation (i.e. "fighting to the last Ukrainian" in what's now unmistakably a proxy war between Russia and the West), we should be pushing for a negotiated settlement of sorts before the economic warfare hurts Americans even more than it already has.

We have no realistic business getting militarily involved in yet another ethnic conflict between Slavic peoples.

69 posted on 07/17/2022 1:34:05 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Glad to know you have vast experience in image and video. Please stop trying to fool people with your boring Orc propaganda and oh-so-innocent act.

Glad also to know that you are surrendering the Ukraine people to the tender mercies of the genocidal Russians. Have you ever even met one, besides your FSG handlers, that is?


70 posted on 07/17/2022 1:56:57 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
They're not actually "on the ground" in Ukraine to independently verify any of the images they've been provided, as far as I'm aware.

They don't need to be. Anyone can look at the image, that's the whole point of photography.

Think about how far you will go to defend propaganda and the Russians. Have you been on the moon? Can you independently verify the images from the lunar landings?

Can you personally verify any picture showing what happened in World War I?

You are just making up reasons for people to not believe what they can see with their own eyes.

76 posted on 07/17/2022 2:46:42 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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