“Ah, that’d explain why Putin and the Kremlin didn’t say a single word in any on-the-record international forum about biolabs in Ukraine for the last eight years and waited until after the Q followers started regurgitating rumors in an endless circle jerk with no clear primary source.”
Please DO NOT accuse our Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Neuland, of being a “Q follower” for simply testifying, under oath, to the US Senate, about the existence of the Biolabs in Ukraine.
I my not like Neuland, but she is NOT a “Q follower”.
Nuland is one dangerous witch, but you are right: a Q follower she is *not*. She’s such a rabid hawk even Obama-worshipping uber-lefty Salon was horrified when she was appointed:
She inadvertently gave the Q crowd encouragement with her ominous statements about Russians getting their hands on dangerous materials in captured Ukrainian research labs. She was just continuing to beat her “horrors! — the evil Russians will likely use chemical and biological weapons!” drum. She’s always been all about predicting heinous crimes against humanity committed by those dastardly Russians (or Ghadaffi, or ...). Part of her usual schtik for ginning up support for her escapades with scary scenarios. She played the same game in the Libya fiasco (anyone remember the fake Viagra rape stories?).
Of course it played right into the hands of the Q conspiracy crowd. I doubt the Q followers were even on her radar. She was just doing her usual thing, deploying scare tactics to demonize her chosen “enemy” of the day. Which is not to say the Russians haven’t done horrible things in Ukraine. They have. It’s a nasty, nasty war. And it was predictable that it would be nasty. The Ukrainians don’t exactly have clean hands, either. But Vickie and her pal Hillary have been slobbering over getting this war for years and years. Now she’s got it.
Why are you binging Victoria Neuland into it? I never mentioned her.
On March 8th 2022 in her testimony she said, “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.”
She really should’ve said “Well, DUH”. Because it wasn’t even a secret. Ukraine has loads of biolabs. Many were built during the Cold War, some of them were set up by US research institutes, and several others are commercial ones set up by Big Pharma.
The EU has documents from 2012 that describe in detail the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency activities via biolabs in Ukraine. It really isn’t the massive secret that Rubio and Q thought it ought to be.
The issue is not that she confirmed the existence of biolabs that literally everybody working in the bioresearch fields already knew were there, it was that she said America is:
“... working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.”
Because that can be interpreted to mean, those labs were actively holding stuff that other labs wouldn’t, and are doing something with that stuff that most other labs wouldn’t dare.
An equally plausible explanation is, dangerous stuff is found in probably half of the world’s biolabs and has been for as long as biolabs have been around - this REALLY is a “Bears shit in the woods, who knew!” level revelation.
Example:
One of the most common bioweapons on the planet is anthrax. Russia has had recurring problems with its containment.
For example, they had a leak of anthrax from a 1940s-built biolab that killed 66 people in Sverdlovsk, 2 April 1979 - the leak came from a facility that actually still exists, but is now known as the 48th Central Scientific Research Institute, Yekaterinburg.
Of course, Russia is rather cavalier about such stuff - in 2018 it was confirmed that not only do they still do some exotic testing on anthrax, but even better than that, they do OPEN AIR testing with it. At the same facility where a prior anthrax leak killed dozens.
A more recent anthrax outbreak in Siberia (Yamal Peninsula) was attributed to melting permafrost. That is very plausible - but what’s ALSO plausible is, Russia has admitted to having approx. 7,000 sites where they’ve simply stuffed evidence of anthrax outbreaks under the ground. If nobody knows how many of those outbreaks are naturally occurring or as the direct result of open air testing / lab compromise, how would even Russia know which is which?
The answer to that is, Ukraine’s and other biolabs have had Russian anthrax in them for a couple of decades and many of them still hold dozens of samples of it to this day. Why? Because Putin’s Russia knows that Soviet Russia was its own worst enemy.
Soviet Russia’s immediate solution to an Anthrax outbreak (or any other man-made disaster) always is, put up a media blackout and bury the evidence. With Russia now on a crusade to party like it’s still pre-1991, they’re returning to that state of mind.
While politicians and generals would scrabble around trying to make sure nobody in the Kremlin loses face in the event of a potential PR disaster, scientists and other level heads would collect samples which are sent to far away biolabs just in case.
So the presence of anthrax in dozens of labs in and around Russia (including in the ex-SSRs, and Ukraine) isn’t conspiracy, it’s an example of wise precautions.
When Russia starts being really open about what’s in those 7000 anthrax burial sites, and when it can prove that the 48th CSRI really is just doing antibiotics research and storing dangerous pathogens ONLY for research purposes, that’s the time it can start speculating about what America really was doing in the Ukrainian biolabs.