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To: Kevmo
Sure, people who engage in a priori reasoning “consider” other particulars and whatnot, but the conclusion is pre-drawn. We see this with judges all the time, like the last fed judge who couldn’t even say what a woman is but the dems gonna vote for her anyways...The conclusion is already drawn. They proceed on the evidence with that conclusion already in mind. It is a fallacy.

This is an example of "mind reading", because you have no way of knowing with certitude that our conclusions are "pre-drawn" instead of being informed by how recent historical events have unfolded, by predictions as to what courses of action should or shouldn't be taken (which may not jive with your predictions), and by different moral value judgments as to what the proper course of action should be, among other things.

That’s a bunch of gobbledegook. There’s nothing empirical about her statements.

Thank you for making my point: when one is outside the realm of purely empirical information, "a priori" reasoning is not only not fallacious, it's completely normal. In like manner, there are a class of truths which are outside the realm of empirical or scientific reasoning, so harping on about the "a priori fallacy" when the data set includes non-empirical information (such as one's philosophical axioms, the amoral weighing of what's in the current national interest, and so forth) is a fool's game.

256 posted on 04/25/2022 5:03:44 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Look at just 2 posts prior to yours: What part of “it isn’t happening and we have a proxy war because no amount of propaganda and sob stories is going to make Americans want to see their family members die in another stupid foreign war across the globe” that you don’t seem to understand?

a priori reasoning

When you see it often enough, it is not “mind reading” that the conclusion is pre-drawn. The evidence speaks for itself.


257 posted on 04/25/2022 5:08:02 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thank you for making my point: when one is outside the realm of purely empirical information, “a priori” reasoning is not only not fallacious, it’s completely normal.
***I’ll grant you it falls within the norm but that doesn’t preclude it from being fallacious. She arrived at her conclusion in a priori fashion, that it is not worth getting entangled in a foreign conflict basically because it is not worth getting entangled in a foreign conflict. No amount of reasoning, showing how unique the situation is, how important, that billions of lives were at stake when we DID decide to get involved, etc. would stave her off her pre-drawn conclusion. And now it appears to be your pre-drawn conclusion as well.

In like manner, there are a class of truths which are outside the realm of empirical or scientific reasoning,
***Her conclusion is not within that ‘class of truths’. It is simply an opinion pre-drawn. She then proceeds to fit the square facts she’ll accept into her round hole of reasoning, working backwards.

so harping on about the “a priori fallacy” when the data set includes non-empirical information
***It is a fallacy, plain and simple, because she had her opinion long before she considered the facts, and it colors the way she even considers her facts. That’s why she finds it so difficult to accept that Russia invading is an incredibly obvious violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

(such as one’s philosophical axioms, the amoral weighing of what’s in the current national interest, and so forth) is a fool’s game.
***The fool’s game is engaging in reasoning with such fools who have already made up their mind long before they ever considered facts. Their opinion is based on what they think or feel or want, not on facts. It is simply fallacious.


259 posted on 04/25/2022 5:14:59 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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