Posted on 04/09/2022 11:50:01 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
They have no elected official who will take up their cause.
Talk about ‘spew’....
An elected official??
You mean like FJB and all of the Dems and globalist ‘elected officials’?
🙃
Rah, rah! Let’s go, Brandon!
Too many here don’t have a broad enough understanding of the Donbass region and their desire to be either given autonomy or becoming a part of Russia. his was actually worked out between Ukraine and Russia in the Minsk agreements had Zelensky not refused to do his part as he agreed in the Donbass and Lugansk areas.... (And the US encouraged him to resist)...Now I don’t think he ever intended to do his part and was using it as a stall for everything we’re seeing being played out now...- - which is why in any negotiations Putin wants agreements, documentation and all parties signitures so that prior road isn’t traveled down again.
14 - 16,000 peoples deaths in Donbass, and increasing, could only be ignored for so long - that degree of tension could not have continued of Ukrainians army killing it’s citizens in that area.
That is one interpretation. IMO however, I have not seen Putin reflecting to adhere to any prior agreements or documents. Putin appears to be quite deceitful.
As Norman Schwarzkopf once said:
“The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.”
I wonder what the average Russian thinks of being compared to the Nazis of the past century, attacking civilian targets with no regard of who or how many die.
Interestingly, Putin signed a ban on comparisons between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany last July.
That means someone could be jailed for mentioning the collaboration between Hitler and Josef Stalin. “Stalin perpetrated a man-made famine that can be called a genocide in Ukraine 90 years ago, the ‘Holodomor’ which claimed some 3 million Ukrainian live.,”
You should get busy primarying all the Republicans who support Ukraine. Let me know how that works out.
Russian sympathizers wear white arm bands…Ukrainian is blue arm bands…google it.
Choosing sides in this seems fraught with dangers either way, and I think it is far from an “either/or” situation both in the conflict and also on the forum here. Some, like myself, tend to the idea that Putin has overstepped but with some legitimate cause, and that Ukraine is by no means a model state but even so, these problems are their problems and not something to be decided out of country by other people.
Putin might have remained generally in a favorable light if he had organized this as only a beefing up of security in Dontask and Letsgo (what I call them anyway). As soon as he started blasting away at Kharkiv, Mariupol and later on Kiev and threatening other cities with largely pro-Ukraine populations, he overstepped and lost potential support even if he is the main anti-globalist politician active today.
Hitler was certainly no slouch when it came to anti-communism so we have seen this sort of challenge before, some here in 1941 might be pro-Hitler and anti-Stalin, one would have to imagine. But I think the same principle applies to both these conflicts, first of all, end the major and flagrant violations of international law, then get back to the longer term task of defeating an ideology (globalism) that we might not welcome any more than Vladimir Putin, for whatever reasons (and they are probably not totally the same).
Earth to John Galt - the Russians conducted a massive invasion of a neighboring country - killing thousands. They are absolutely wrong and we have to condemn them and we’d be stupid to ignore this and any other armed aggression. Such as China invading Taiwan or Iran attacking Israel.
Isolationism stopped being an option since the modern warship and Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles came into being. George was a fine President but the world has changed.
You have my permission to pull your head out of … the sand.
Like I said….globalists.
You seem to be okay with globalists, on BOTH sides of the aisle.
:>)
If the choice is globalist or putin, globalist every time.
You’re wrong: the choice is neither of those options.
Well the west is run by globalist is it not?
I will choose between what exists not what doesn’t exist.
I will pick what you call “globalists” over your war criminal Putin, any day.
Enjoy your primaries.
MY war criminal ??
Nope.
Not my war. No dog in this hunt.
Enjoy your NWO globalist overlords, though. Oh, and your $0ros selected nasty comedian.
Telling, the war criminals YOU chose to embed with.
You repeatedly bring up primaries…are you voting for FJB supported candidates?
IMHO, anybody who puts Putin and Zelensky on the same level is morally deficient and will NEVER get my vote.
Fortunately there are very few outside of Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, plus a few nutcases here on FR.
Agreed. Zot the Russian/Putinist trolls. It's fine to say that USA should have no business in Ukraine because we should remain isolationist, but to say that Russia should liberate Eastern Ukraine is crossing the line to me.
...plus a few nutcases here on FR.
Yep....I won’t argue with YOU, about that.
They’re obsessed w/Zelensky...and, Putin.
They can’t stop posting about them. Like 90% (at least) of their posts.
his was actually worked out between Ukraine and Russia in the Minsk agreements had Zelensky not refused to do his part as he agreed in the Donbass and Lugansk areas.... (And the US encouraged him to resist)...
***That stuff all took place only after oil & gas were discovered in those regions. This war is about OIL. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The Russians weren’t even interested in western Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.
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