Thank you.
What I wasn’t necessarily questioning was the number. But the statement of NorseViking was: “Where have you been for 8 years WHEN UKRAINE WAS KILLING 14,000 people in Donbas? This conflict didn’t start two weeks ago.”
NorseViking can easily fix this if he restates what he said to line up with the many citations you provided. Let us see if he will. Perhaps, in the emotion of the moment in speaking of this war and the fog that envelopes it, he misspoke.
In the end, facts are stubborn things, and the truth will out. Both Putin and Zelenskiy will go before the tribunal of both history and justice for what they have done, not what some say this or that one did.
Thank you! Aren’t the troops people who are killed in the conflict?
Both Putin and Zelenskiy will go before the tribunal of both history and justice for what they have done, not what some say this or that one did.
History suggests this will not happen to a head of state. Notably, the United States does not even recognize the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC can only assume jusridiction in cases referred to it by the UN Security Council. Essentially, all members of UN Security Council with veto power are exempt, except with their consent. Russia is also not a party to the Rome Statute which created the ICC. Not Ukraine either. Rome Statute parties
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/15/us-threatens-international-criminal-court#
March 15, 2019 12:58PM EDT (underscore added)
US Threatens International Criminal CourtVisa Bans on ICC Staff
(Washington, DC) – The United States decision to impose visa bans on International Criminal Court (ICC) staff will imperil accountability for grave international crimes, Human Rights Watch said today. US Secretary of State Michael Pompeo on March 15, 2019 announced that the bans will apply to ICC personnel involved in the court’s potential investigation of US citizens and may possibly be used to deter ICC investigations against citizens of US allies.
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Pompeo made clear that the US would take further action if the ICC moves forward with investigations of US nationals. In a September 2018 speech, the US national security adviser, John Bolton, announced a change in US policy toward the court and outlined several steps the US would take if ICC investigations reached US nationals or the nationals of US allies. In addition to travel bans, Bolton threatened prosecutions and financial sanctions against ICC staff, as well as against countries and companies assisting in ICC investigations of US nationals. He warned that the US would restart long-abandoned efforts to negotiate agreements with other countries against surrendering US nationals to the court and put other governments’ diplomatic, military, and intelligence ties with the US at risk if those governments cooperate with the ICC in investigations of the US or its allies.
The US, which is not a party to the court’s Rome Statute, objects to the ICC’s jurisdiction over nationals of non-member countries, absent a referral to the court by the United Nations Security Council. Afghanistan, however, is an ICC member country, giving the ICC authority to investigate and prosecute crimes committed by their nationals or by anyone on Afghan territory.
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