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To: freeandfreezing

Where have you been for 8 years when Ukraine was killing 14,000 people in Donbas? This conflict didn’t start two weeks ago.


46 posted on 03/05/2022 11:35:43 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

What are your sources for this 14,000 number? Give the links. Or, if not on the net, give the citations.


48 posted on 03/05/2022 11:38:44 AM PST by Belteshazzar
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Where have you been for 8 years when Ukraine was killing 14,000 people in Donbas?

I have been following what actually happened instead of drinking the Kool-aid poured by Putin's propaganda officers.

The separatists in the Donbass region launched a war against the country they were trying to secede from in 2014. The Russians joined them in fighting against the Ukrainian government. They reached a cease fire in the fall of 2014. Both sides have exchanged fire across the cease fire line since then.

According to published sources the actual number of civilians killed in that fighting is nowhere close to 14,000.

In response to a request from Radio Svoboda , the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights counted the total number of victims of hostilities in Donbas from April 14, 2014 to February 10, 2020.

"According to UNHCR estimates, the total number of casualties related to the conflict in Ukraine (from 14 April 2014 to 31 January 2021) is 42,000-44,000: 13,100-13300 dead (at least 3375 civilians, approximately 4150 Ukrainian military and approximately 5,700 members of armed groups); and 29,500-33500 wounded (7000-9000 civilians, 9700-10700 Ukrainian military and 12700-13700 members of armed groups), "the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said in response to a request from Radio Svoboda.

During the entire period of the conflict, from April 14, 2014 to January 31, 2021, civilians accounted for 25-26 percent of the total number of people killed in the conflict (3375 out of 13100-13300). The same ratio applies to injuries.

It should be noted that this ratio has changed significantly over the years: from 33-34 percent in 2014 (one civilian killed for two killed Ukrainian soldiers or members of armed groups), to 4-5 percent in 2019-2020: one civilian , killed in artillery shelling, fire from SZLO (small arms and light weapons - ed. ) and incidents involving mines on 20-22 Ukrainian soldiers or members of armed groups killed in artillery shelling, fire from SZLO and incidents "related to mines," the UN said.

Source - translated by Google.

Notice that most of the people killed or injured were Ukrainians, and far fewer civilians were killed. The 14,000 number is pure propaganda.

As the UN noted, only one civilian was killed in 2019-2020 in the Donbass, and yet Putin has launched an invasion that has killed thousands already in a couple of weeks.

50 posted on 03/05/2022 11:54:04 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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