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“You say that as if the people in command have all the knowledge and answers and are 100% correct and truthful...”

I guess I need to apologize. It appears I haven’t made my point with you. What I said is that the people in command are in charge, they have decided the vaccines are safe and to be used, the pilots committed through contract and their sworn oath that they would follow the orders of their superiors if they are determined safe, and the pilots broke that oath by determining not to use the vaccines in violation of that order. Whether the military is 100% correct, which is impossible as everyone has an opinion whether they know all of a situation or not, and truthful, which can also be an opinion, the action doesn’t mean anything to this function.

For what they are being discharged for, isn’t in that mix.
It doesn’t make any difference how many of those pilots are doctors with lab facilities, but they are one of the two entities in a position to determine if they are going to cease their career as pilots. They made a choice that is headed that way because it hasn’t a thing to do with the vaccines. It has to do with their making the wrong decision on the validity of the order that is not consistent with the military. So they are failing to follow the order. And that’s not medical, it’s challenging authority. And it doesn’t make any difference whether the vaccine is safe or not in their minds. They are not being discharged for the their opinions on the vaccines. It would help you if you looked on it in black and white and not gray.

In this country, you can make choices like this. I can choose anything I wish as long as I’m willing to be responsible for the ramification. If I choose to run my car over a cliff, not in it, then I’m on foot. But if I get paid in advance a large amount of money and I promise to do the work to be paid for it, and don’t because I don’t like the conditions, then I get fired and either pay them back or possibly get nailed in a lawsuit.

The pilots have had more money spent on them in training than most ever see in their lifetime. They are paid far better than a vast majority of people in a dangerous job like them in most cases likje police and fire. And all they are being asked to do is follow the order or leave. But they want to stay while not following the order. Who put them in charge? The answer to that is they did when they decided to countermand the order and decided to be put back into the civilian world. They appear to want to do the things in the job they like to do. No legitimate job works like that. So unless you run the business, you take orders on who, when and how. They don’t own the business, so they decided they didn’t want to work for it.

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What I said is that the people in command are in charge, they have decided the vaccines are safe and to be used, the pilots committed through contract and their sworn oath that they would follow the orders of their superiors if they are determined safe, and the pilots broke that oath by determining not to use the vaccines in violation of that order. Whether the military is 100% correct, which is impossible as everyone has an opinion whether they know all of a situation or not, and truthful, which can also be an opinion, the action doesn’t mean anything to this function.

This was determined back in the anthrax days. The military can't just randomly force everyone to take an experimental, non-approved medical treatment. Anything under EUA, is clearly NOT allowed to be mandatory. Which, they were trying to force while everything was still under EUA, and they dropped the hard line as soon as Pfizer got its full approval.

But, the grey area comes from several areas of these "vaccines" being approved. First, that approval is already extremely shaky - it was a full-blown political process, not scientific. None of the "vaccines" that have been approved have submitted all their testing results - because they can't because there is no long- or mid-term data. They've only been around for two years, at most. There physically (temporally?) hasn't been enough time for any longer-term trials to have been completed. FDA/Pfizer is fighting any of the trial data being released for 75 years - how is that not suspicious to anyone with more brain activity than a potato? Where do you find the approved "vaccines"? Yes, the official Army memo specifies the fully approved versions are the only ones required, because that's all they legally can do. Yet none of the "vaccines" available in these US is the fully approved and labeled versions, they still only offer them under the EUA. And we're still ignoring the major health hazards these shots pose, with still no knowledge of what they do farther down the line, as I said above.

And, I'm sure you've seen plenty of other arguments around the interwebs. There is no valid reasoning for these to be 'fully approved', much less a mandatory part of medical. And that's what several of these lawsuits are going through the process of - for the courts to acknowledge that and declare that DoD can't mandate these "vaccines", much less so when they are systematically denying exemption requests.

But if I get paid in advance a large amount of money and I promise to do the work to be paid for it, and don’t because I don’t like the conditions, then I get fired and either pay them back or possibly get nailed in a lawsuit.

That's different, if you are given the conditions as part of the agreement to be paid, that's one thing. But for your employer to suddenly change those conditions, and on top of that change those conditions such that pre-agreed conditions (retirement, medical, etc) are negated if you don't agree to the new changes, that's not part of the original contract.

And all they are being asked to do is follow the order or leave. But they want to stay while not following the order. Who put them in charge? The answer to that is they did when they decided to countermand the order and decided to be put back into the civilian world. They appear to want to do the things in the job they like to do. No legitimate job works like that. So unless you run the business, you take orders on who, when and how. They don’t own the business, so they decided they didn’t want to work for it.

Ha you say that like they're whining because they're simply being ordered to only wear green socks on Thursdays. Mandatory medical intervention with decent to unknown chances of minor to major detrimental effects, for little to no benefit, is not a little thing to ask of somebody. And destroying careers and livlihoods in order to force it on people is simply wrong. It's not like this was an option to be offered, or a workplace disagreement to be discussed and negotiated. There's no compromise being made - not a single religious exemption has been approved, and I think medical exemptions across DoD has been in what, the tens? Maybe the hundreds? This is a massive attack on people that's being shoved down on top of us, and it's good that they're willing to fight and hopefully be vindicated by the courts eventually.