6 and 7 have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on 1-5, thinking they do is comical.
Vax effectiveness or ineffectiveness do not change 1-5 at all.
They may change the percentages in terms of likelihoods of the outcomes, but they do not change the facts... nothing about 1-5 changes because of the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of any vaccine other that the percentages that will get it, get sick from it, get severely sick from it and die from it.
All any vaccine ever does regarding flus is reduce the likelihood of bad outcomes, that’s it, it doesn’t eliminate them, it doesn’t stop their spread, nor can it.
You want to go on a rant about that, feel free, but it doesn’t change that 1-5 have been true from day one (long before any vaccines existed), and are still true today.
Any vaccines that ever exist WILL NOT AND CANNOT CHANGE THE FACTS OF 1-5, they can change the percentages but not the fundamental facts... never could, never ever will.
The manufacturers of these vaccines aren’t making the ludicrous claims that they stop the spread or prevent death, those are idiotic pundits and politicians, just like idiots on the other side making claims that if you recover from Covid you are immune from getting it again.... All of those claims are absolutely lies.
1-5 are the truth, have been the truth since day one and will be the truth no matter what vaccines exist today or are created in the future. No matter how effective or ineffective, they will not change 1-5... 1-5 is TRUE of all the flu viruses.... Whether they be the common influenza a or b, or this novel Covid 19... these are wholesale fundamental inalienable truths about them, and anyone who has told you anything different EVER about this is flat out LYING to you. I don’t give a damn what their politics are, or which side of the aisle they are drawing their lies from.... anything else claimed is an abject lie and has been since day one.
alexander_busek: Those have NOT been the facts promulgated to us since "Day One!" And a few major "facts" are missing in your list:
6) The "vaxx" is ineffective. a) It is conspicuously LESS effective than any other vaccine ever "sold" to the American public in the last half a century. b) It does not prevent the illness. c) It does not prevent transmission.
7) The "vaxx" is dangerous (can have significant after-effects).
HamiltonJay: 6 and 7 have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on 1-5, thinking they do is comical. Vax effectiveness or ineffectiveness do not change 1-5 at all.
alexander_busek:
Never said that #6 or #7 invalidated #1-5! Don't put words in my mouth!
However, additional facts can change how we respond to previous facts. This is called context.
You admit as much in your subsequent statements: They may change the percentages in terms of likelihoods of the outcomes, but they do not change the facts... nothing about 1-5 changes because of the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of any vaccine other that the percentages that will get it, get sick from it, get severely sick from it and die from it.
So you and I agree: PERCENTAGES MATTER!
Thus, e.g., if a) the vaccine is 99.99% effective, and b) the vaccine is extremely safe, but c) the virus is moderately contagious, but d) the virus is relatively harmless, then => Breathe a sigh of relief, get vaccinated, but don't bother undertaking any further measures. Don't, e.g., be concerned about others being unvaccinated.
However, if a) the vaxx (not a true vaccine) is only 45% effective (and that effectivity continues waning over the course of mere months), and b) the vaxx has significant deleterious side-effects, and c) the virus is moderately contagious, and d) the virus is relatively harmless, then => Put on your thinking cap and decide what is best for you individually.
All I have said - and continue saying - is that, DEPENDING UPON THE PERCENTAGES (and, in particular, the percentages RELEVANT FOR YOU, personally), decide for yourself!
Regards,
Have deliberately omitted additional possible considerations, such as: speed of mutation, protection afforded by natural immunity, etc.