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The woman Alec Baldwin killed
https://donsurber.blogspot.com ^ | Friday, October 22, 2021 | Don Surber

Posted on 10/22/2021 12:37:12 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: dhs12345

1. unless he and everyone knew that it as a real firearm;

He knew it was a real gun.

2. he was expected to have experience with firearms;

As producer he was expected to know and enforce safety protocols. As the actor handling the gun he was expected to obey safety protocols.

3. he was clearly being careless in some way.

“in some way”. ROTFLMAO!


141 posted on 10/25/2021 8:44:43 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

Ya. Kind of reckless to use a fully functional firearm as a prop. That would scare the heck out of me if I knew it. I might even complain.

Pointing a “empty” firearm at a person is very bad which would very likely happen during the production of a movie.

Not following the safety rules with a real firearm. Yikes!


142 posted on 10/25/2021 8:46:55 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

“1. unless he and everyone knew that it as a real firearm; 2. he was expected to have experience with firearms; 3. he was clearly being careless in some way.”

If someone were to point a gun at your spouse or kid and kill them saying “I didn’t know it was loaded”?


143 posted on 10/25/2021 8:47:19 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

You might be right.

But I wouldn’t expect Baldwin to know firearms. He hates them and the people who own them.

Clearly being careless — was he randomly pointing at people and pulling the trigger. If yes, that will certainly add to the prosecution’s case.

Definitely civil, though. Criminal is iffy in my opinion.


144 posted on 10/25/2021 8:50:32 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: TexasGator
Lol. If we had a nickel for every time that happened or someone said that. That is how people are accidentally killed or injured by firearms.
145 posted on 10/25/2021 8:52:20 AM PDT by dhs12345
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“This is a major production company,”

WORLDWIDE BOX OFFICE REVENUES
$500M+
Since Inception


146 posted on 10/25/2021 8:52:24 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: dhs12345

“Recently? Private party sales? Family/friend transfer? Never mind. Don’t answer.”

Private party sales.

Family transfers.


147 posted on 10/25/2021 8:53:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

I expect that the moms/wife’s family will be compensated. They probably have insurance too. OSHA insurance?


148 posted on 10/25/2021 8:54:57 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

“Kind of reckless to use a fully functional firearm as a prop.”

Most Guns used on sets are real Guns.


149 posted on 10/25/2021 8:54:57 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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Wow! I certainly hope that they have a full time firearms expert on set 24/7. And that person has to “certify” the firearms as beings “safe.” And if they are not, then they are liable.


150 posted on 10/25/2021 8:56:33 AM PDT by dhs12345
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“But I wouldn’t expect Baldwin to know firearms. He hates them and the people who own them.

As the actor he was expected to obey industry safety protocols.

As producer he was expected to enforce industry safety protocols.

“Clearly being careless”

reckless
[ˈrekləs]
ADJECTIVE
(of a person or their actions) without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action.


151 posted on 10/25/2021 8:59:25 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator
I am curious to find out how they are managed as a functional firearm. They are not just a simple prop, like an outfit, the is checked out from the wardrobe department.

I wonder if the other weapons that they use on set are fully functional as well. Fully automatic, machine guns, rockets, grenades, etc. Probably not.

152 posted on 10/25/2021 8:59:38 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Yet to be seen. There is so little that we know about what happened. And a lot of people might be responsible.

But someone made a mistake that caused this woman’s death.


153 posted on 10/25/2021 9:03:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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“I am curious to find out how they are managed as a functional firearm.”

In this case they were left unattended outside the set and handled recklessly.


154 posted on 10/25/2021 9:03:35 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: dhs12345

“Yet to be seen.”

What in my post is yet to be seen?

But someone made a mistake that caused this woman’s death.

Someone? I could name many!

A mistake is when you make a wrong term. When you shoot and kill someone it is not a mistake.


155 posted on 10/25/2021 9:08:41 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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Yup. Do they check out and check in the firearms? Similar process to a shooting range that rents firearms. The people at firearm ranges know gun safety and are responsible if someone is injured. They make sure that the firearm is functioning correctly too — cleaned periodically, etc. They may even control which type of cartridge is used. There should be a similar situation with a movie production company if they are using real firearms.

I read that “someone” used it to target practice prior.


156 posted on 10/25/2021 9:10:45 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Was it intentional? That could be. Then it might be 1st degree murder.
157 posted on 10/25/2021 9:11:42 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: TexasGator

“There is so little that we know about what happened. And a lot of people might be responsible.”

Mistake? No. Reckless disregard of industry safety protocols is criminal negligence. Some states have statutes on negligent homicide. In New Mexico it is Involuntary manslaughter.


158 posted on 10/25/2021 9:13:59 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: dhs12345

“The people at firearm ranges know gun safety and are responsible if someone is injured.”

Did you read the waiver form you signed?


159 posted on 10/25/2021 9:19:00 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator
Ya. Agreed. However, if the range were found negligent in some way. For example, the instructor was careless. There is still liability. It follows the rule: what is reasonable.
160 posted on 10/25/2021 9:23:19 AM PDT by dhs12345
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