Posted on 10/17/2021 8:22:18 AM PDT by uzumaki_naruto
11th_VA wrote:
“Related - My daughter was doing work for Washington State DOT thru her company. Then she got notice if she wasn’t jabbed, her contract would be suspended. She’s already had COVID, so that was a non-starter.
So now another company has picked up the contract, and has subbed the work out to her as a temp - so she still has the work …”
Excellent!
there’s always a work around !
@ ThePatriotsFlag
The illegals are our replacement, so “they” want them to have a working immune system while we are sick or dead. Isn’t that brilliant?
“They” control the money supply
“They” control the media. up is down; down is up
“They” weaponize laws against us
If all else fails, “they” will resort to force or send another real pandemic that will get our attention, per Bill Gates
SheepWhisperer wrote:
PDF...
https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/2021_Vaccine_Exemption_Fact_Sheet.pdf
Model letter...
https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/2021_Vaccine_Exemption_Form_Letter.pdf
“
many thanks for the links!!!
That potential is in in all of us.
I agree with you. I maintain that the religious exemption has been offered and they keep using the provision that it must be “sincerely held”. Who knows? Who says? How do they determine that? By what authority do they determine that?
They can’t. There is also no provision for determination of sincerity in order to enjoy the rights of the First Amendment. There isn’t even a provision for the character or legitimacy of the religion asserted.
This should not be a Spanish Inquisition but that assertion is being made by the gooberment and employers.
I have been reading as some of this now hits home with the people who now find they are gooberment contractors and didn’t know it. Surpirse! As mentioned yesterday, all manner of people are going to find they are gooberment contractors eventually even down to the fuel truck delivery driver and so forth. Any company that takes a check from the gooberment can be touched and that is their intention, to touch as many as poosible. Walmart even for example.
My first premise is that this is not a request for religious exemption but a declaration of religious exemption. It is a right already granted under the First Amendment that can’t be taken away. It has already been offered as an alternative to vaccination. It and the medical exemption are two alternatives already offered and so one is taking the offer when making a declaration. While it may be questioned, the answer to that should and has been NO. There is also no restriction to religious freedom or right, no “sincerity test” or provision that the belief must be “sincerely held”. Who is to say and how would they know either of these?
I am reminded of a very important thing that I learned form giving testimony in trials: Stick to the question, stick to the facts, stick to the premise stated, don’t get led astray, don’t engage in counter arguments etc. The same applies here. An acquaintance formerly in the Military was questioned for placement in exceptional duty. Ron’s story of being interviewed by a shrink is pertinent here. Upon offering a premise the shrink asked, “What do you think about that?” Ron says he pondered and looked quizzical then said, “Hmmm, What do you think?” He would not engage and he would not play. Only a 19 year-old like Ron could have pulled that off.
If someone wants to examine the basis for your religious beliefs or sincerity thereof you empower that unjust, illegal and unwarranted intrusion by engaging. You don’t have to be clever about it just firm and even repetitious I think. “I have stated my position and it is the same still. My letter speaks for itself.” At best respond by saying: “That’s interesting.” but even that gives more than should be given.
It is hard for honest and open people to be closed but that is what is required. Our attorney in City for Company was pretty shrewd and a good observer of people. He said pretty much this same thing to me, coached me and even mock trialed me until I mostly got it. The person declaring exemption has no friends and should know and remember that.
Finally, you can only use the law to your advantage if you know the law. Most people who use the law to their advantage don’t know the whole law but only the part that is to their advantage. Until proven wrong that is all they need to know. This opposition is counting on you not knowing the law or asserting it if you do know it.
I sure don’t know everything, I’ve given up on being able to do that, but it doesn’t stop me from wishing I did.
That's why I deliberately mentioned the "First Church of Economic Internet Spirituality!"
The Grand-Poobah of that church will certify practically anything you want - for a $5 transfer to his PayPal account.
And there is no one senior to the Grand-Poobah!
Regards,
...should read "gilds the lily."
Regards,
But of course the new contractor takes their cut, right? So your daughter is now getting only, say, 60%, right?
Regards,
I have been saying for 10 months, “Biden is Hitler.”
Those words are being shown to be extremely accurate!!
If offered, take the terms as long as it does not involve something onerous or loss of pay. There will come a right time to assert discrimination, harassment or hostile work place.
alexander_busek wrote:
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“So now another company has picked up the contract, and has subbed the work out to her as a temp - so she still has the work …”
But of course the new contractor takes their cut, right? So your daughter is now getting only, say, 60%, right?
Regards,
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11th_VA
How much of a cut, does the company that your daughter temps for, take?
Bkmrk.
Sure. That seems to be what they want. First jab by Dec.8.
Less is more. Simply state your declaration that you are taking the religious exemption offered and that you sincerely believe in your religion.
That’s it. Nothing else. Don’t identify with any religion in the statement. Nor provide them any thing they can use against you. Like scripture. If they deny, appeal. If they still deny the appeal, takem to court. Show them how sincere your belief is.
You are correct. So let your speech be yea, yea or nay, nay for to say more is of the devil.
I have been shoveling, mowing, blowing and mulling this over some more this afternoon. Additional points for consideration:
In an appeal, do not allow yourself to be drawn into an irrelevant logic trap such as, “you take other vaccines that use fetal tissue derivatives why won’t you take this one?” Answer, this is the one of the subject at hand. The offer for religious accommodation has been made for this one only and I accept that offer on the grounds of my sincerely held religious belief against taking or any of its cousins.
We have also fallen into the trap of the grounds being because of use of fetal tissue or derivatives. That is not important. What is important is that the taking of the vaccine violates my sincerely held religious beliefs that are unspecified as that is not a condition of religious accommodation. Is it? I have not seen so.
I believe we also fall into the trap of thinking our beliefs have to be based on some established mainstream religion supported by a note from a priest or clergy. I don’t think that is true. First of all I do not recognize either priest or clergy as qualified or superior to my faith. The practice of religion can be a religion of one declared by me. That is true by the Constitution though it is not my belief. How else have atheists managed to impose their “religion” on societal norms and practice such as prayer in school?
I can even create my own code or bible but The Bible says “Let each seek his own salvation with fear and trembling” That, in my upbringing, means I will find my own salvation according to my own understanding and image of my God or even some other person or thing though mine is God. My understanding may be wrong and I may fail but it is still my choice and understanding of even God’s word.
I will not recognize any man who claims to judge my sincerity or correctness of religious belief. It is not for a man, any man, to say that I am right or wrong in this regard. Many of us will surely fail in fact but it is at our own peril. All dogs may go to heaven but all men will not and it will surprise all of us how it turns out.
The consequence of failure to obey God’s word correctly in my religious understanding is too critical for me or anyone else to direct me or for me to direct them. I will not allow anyone to tell me how to attain my salvation without invoking my own discretion, understanding and discernment. I will also not tell or expect anyone else to follow my direction as to how to pursue salvation and perhaps because of a mistake condemn them to the fires of hell for all eternity without expecting them to prove the way is right for themselves. I will lead them to The Word though and let them make their own choices.
Religious accommodation has been offered and it can only rightfully be offered without conditions neither have I seen such conditions attached other than the misdirected and unprovable suggestion of “sincerly held”. Tomfoolery written by someone who has no idea what he is saying. It is not definable or determinable.
I will accept your offer of exception to the Covid Vaccine on the grounds of sincerely held religious belief and in accordance with my sincerely held religious belief my position is that I will not take the Covid-19 vaccine. End of story, stick to it.
If one insists on a religious reason there are others, at least one comes to mind: “Do you not know your body is a temple?” I have not and will not knowingly take anything into my body that I believe to defile it or not to the advantage of my body and I will not now. End of story. “But you take other vaccines, why not this one?” Because I believe those others prevent disease and are to the advantage of my body.
The Declaration states that our rights, as recognized and enumerated, derive from God. It also recognizes that nobody can take these stated and personally held rights away from us and then goes on in the Bill of Rights to state these rights. Do not let them take away your God given right to self-determination.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers....”
None of this calls for anarchy, indeed, it calls for the strictest adherence to order and respect of our rights. I don’t see anyplace it provides for capricious mandates of questionable and evidently increasingly ineffective vaccines of any kind or derivation. Nor does it call for or permit determination by anyone as to the sincerity and nature of my religious beliefs.
Refuse, Resist, Solidarity.
@ Rio
You need to get your last jab 2 weeks before Dec 8..I believe that’s Nov 23.
May I ask if you are, at least in part, making use of phraseology from some previous thinkers? In some sentences, the wordage seems almost too polished to be something written "on the fly" in a chance thread.
(No offense or implied accusation of plagiarism intended if you have, indeed, written all this yourself.)
Regards,
No, save for statements from the Bible and quote from the Declaration these are my own strongly held beliefs formulated from the time I was a child in Sunday School.
I have been at this for a long time.
Extemporaneous thought, speaking and writing are not merely extemporaneous.
ping
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