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The Lesson of Afghanistan is a Simple One, But Probably Not What You Think
Flopping Aces ^ | 08-20-21 | Vince

Posted on 08/21/2021 7:47:03 AM PDT by Starman417

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To: ealgeone

They’ve been doing that for years. Tried to get them to grow actual crops and try to have an agricultural based economy. Didn’t work. Too hard and not enough money in it.

Too much money to be made growing opium and hash.


21 posted on 08/21/2021 8:16:04 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: dynachrome

Afghanistan has an area, population and population density only slightly larger than Texas. But, because of Sharia law, they might make it into the 9th century in terms of social progress in the next century or so.


22 posted on 08/21/2021 8:17:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Starman417


23 posted on 08/21/2021 8:19:21 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum)
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To: Starman417

Afganistan should have been handled in the following manner.

1. Kill the enemy and we did.
2. Install your dictator of choice, we should have done this in Iraq and Afghanistan, we did not.
3. Leave in a safe and orderly fashion, we did not and this is the fault of Bush, Obama and in particular Biden. Nation building does not work in a Muslim society.
4. If things get out of hand that would export terror to The West, call in the bomb truck (BUFF, B52s aka Big Ugly Fat Fu—er) and Specter. Wash and rinse as necessary.

It is really that simple.


24 posted on 08/21/2021 8:23:50 AM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, consultant, pilot instructor, pharmacist , retired now)
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To: dynachrome

Don’t laugh, we’ll probably be back in Afghanistan now that Biden has been set up to create a total disaster and embarrassment to the US. Table-pounding congressional lapdogs of the military-industrial complex will no doubt start urging a return under the guise of “humanitarian relief” which is to say, new contracts for Blackwater, Triple Canopy, Dyncorp (remember that name?), Fluor, L3, KBR and others. Just because the US military withdraws doesn’t mean private contractors will - in fact it creates opportunities, gaps for them to fill. One of which will be to rescue those other contractor personnell who were abandoned by Biden.

Private military contractors operate in the shadows and without any government oversight. And it’s a lot easier to sneak money to them than it is to sneak troops across a border after the President says to withdraw. Someone has to pay and it sure isn’t going to be the taliban.

Of course a renewed war is also good for Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, etc.


25 posted on 08/21/2021 8:28:39 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Texas Eagle
".... Somebody is running the show with Joe al-Scranton serving as the front man....."

Best guess is Obama and his commie cohorts in that bunker he lives in in DC.

With financial backing by Soros.

26 posted on 08/21/2021 8:30:34 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Starman417

There used to be a nation-building brigade here on FR. Thank God they are repudiated.

from my home page

I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.

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27 posted on 08/21/2021 8:31:25 AM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Diogenesis

har


28 posted on 08/21/2021 8:36:03 AM PDT by thinden
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To: Starman417

Simple Rules of Engagement with Muslims -

If Infidels are present, Sunni with unite with Shi’a sects to enslave (physical, sex, monetary), convert, and annihilate all Infidels.

If no Infidels present, Sunni will turn against Shi’a until one or the other is enslaved or annihilated.

The rising population of Muslims over 1200 years shows the effectiveness of their tactics.


29 posted on 08/21/2021 8:45:34 AM PDT by RideForever (Know Islam, No Peace; Know Peace, No Islam)
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To: goldbux
Paragraph 7 / . . . 7th century, whence they came.

Not "from whence."

Whence = from where.

30 posted on 08/21/2021 8:58:27 AM PDT by goldbux (No sufficiently rich interpreted language can represent its own semantics. -- Alfred Tarski, 1936)
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To: Starman417
We should have listened to this guy:


31 posted on 08/21/2021 9:13:29 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Eternally-Optimistic
Not faceless, nameless. Obama and crew


32 posted on 08/21/2021 10:18:15 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: qaz123
".... They already supply a substantial amount of the worlds heroin....."

Where do you think those poppies to produce heroin came from?

Back in the mid-40s to mid-50s, American engineers and hydrologists came to Afghanistan at the behest of the Afghan president to harness the powerful Helmand River in central Afghanistan.

They built dams and created lakes which they used for hydroelectric power to turn Afghanistan into a modern culture, much like FDR did in the US during his last term.

Once the dams were completed and the water started flowing to generate power, unintended consequences were created. The president started relocating his tribal people, Pashtuns, to the land that now could be farmed and grow crops.

But something unexpected happened. The water tables started to rise and the soil turned salty. One of the crops that grew well in this salty soil were poppies. With little else to grow to sustain their culture, they grew the poppies to make a living.

So it was America who were ultimately responsible for the appearance and growing of poppies, which were used to grow the largest heroin trade in the world.

33 posted on 08/21/2021 10:27:03 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Starman417

The lesson from Afghanistan is the same as the one from Vietnam: you cannot force a Western-style republic on a nation that does not want it and it is a waste of blood and treasure to try. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”-Albert Einstein.


34 posted on 08/21/2021 11:39:13 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: FormerFRLurker

The funny thing is, in Vietnam today, the people there are very pro-capitalist, despite the government. Quietly, the government pretty much abandoned Communism in the mid-80s. Outside of the occasional pics of Ho Chi Minh, you’d never know Vietnam is a Communist state. Authoritarian, yes, but that’s a lot of countries on the planet these days.


35 posted on 08/21/2021 11:40:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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It’s almost like Communism is a failed ideology that died decades ago or something...


36 posted on 08/21/2021 11:53:33 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: Starman417

When Walter Cronkite gave up on the Viet Nam war, he also essentially gave up on LBJ too. Thirty-three days later LBJ announced he would not be a candidate for re-election to the Presidency of the United States.

When LBJ lost Cronkite, he knew the end was near.

Joe Stolen has lost the large portion of the lamestream media that has been propping him up in his part in the “Weekend at Bernie’s” script. And things do not look much better for “Que mala” Harris.


37 posted on 08/21/2021 12:59:38 PM PDT by alloysteel ( Poor people give rich people all their money anyway. Just as they have always done.)
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To: HotHunt

American isn’t responsible for a damn.

I guess using your history. A car dealership sells a car. Driver kills someone with car. Dealer is responsible.

Where do you think those poppies to produce heroin came from?

Back in the mid-40s to mid-50s, American engineers and hydrologists came to Afghanistan at the behest of the Afghan president to harness the powerful Helmand River in central Afghanistan.

Let me this as respectfully as I can….

I Do Not Give A F*ck

I was not alive during that time period. I do not care.

I care that in due time, due the now non-existent border, that heroin is going to pour into our country. That is the only thing I care about


38 posted on 08/21/2021 2:38:05 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123
Geez. Calm down. I was just giving a history of where they poppies came from and why.

You don't need to have a cow over it.

39 posted on 08/21/2021 4:57:14 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt

Negative....Ghostrider

Anyone that types this drivel...

So it was America who were ultimately responsible for the appearance and growing of poppies, which were used to grow the largest heroin trade in the world.

America ain’t no angel, but that is a ridiculous statement.


40 posted on 08/21/2021 5:11:11 PM PDT by qaz123
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