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[HandyDandy #412] Although in reality we can always count on you for the dicta.
When I said that we can always count on you for the dicta, you know I was referring to the quote by a Supreme Court Justice (or is it by Erlich?), you can’t seem to make up your mind), at least we are assured the quote is not of you.
WP "Dred Scott ... probably helped to promote the Civil War, as it certainly required the Civil War to bury its dicta."
HD “That quote is not bad. In a cutesy, playful, spinny kind of way. Although in reality we can always count on you for the dicta. Right?”
My meaning being that the Civil War could not bury “its dicta”, (i.e. the dicta from the Dred Scott case) because you have it at your ready disposal to copy and paste. Note that I never said that you “deliver dicta”.
As for Davis, you provided the text. My near quote of him (that he would fight until the last confederate soldier was killed is for all intent and purposes the jist of this:
"No, I cannot. I desire peace as much as you do. I deplore bloodshed as much as you do; but I feel that not one drop of the blood shed in this war is on my hands, — I can look up to my God and say this. I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, and for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves; and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize his musket and fight his battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self-government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for independence, — and that, or extermination, we will have." J.Davis
[HandyDandy #419] Did you know that President Jefferson Davis said on several occasions the he would not give up until the very last confederate soldier was killed?[HandyDandy #449] As for Davis, you provided the text. My near quote of him (that he would fight until the last confederate soldier was killed is for all intent and purposes the jist of this:
"No, I cannot. I desire peace as much as you do. I deplore bloodshed as much as you do; but I feel that not one drop of the blood shed in this war is on my hands, — I can look up to my God and say this. I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, and for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves; and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize his musket and fight his battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self-government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for independence, — and that, or extermination, we will have." J.Davis
Your nonsense, which I had to provide to you, in no way is a "near quote" of what you alleged, namely, "President Jefferson Davis said on several occasions the he would not give up until the very last confederate soldier was killed."
You were unable to provide any authoritative source of what Davis may have said. It is not even alleged that "Edmund Kirke" was sitting there making a transcript of what was said. That "Kirke" put everything in quotation marks does not establish that he had a photographic memory. It takes about six single-spaced pages to print out what "Kirke" is assumed by you to have actually quoted verbatim.
What Davis alleged said is more reminiscent of Winston Churchill:
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
Certainly, neither Churchill, nor Davis, is shown to have said he would fight till his last soldier was killed. You cannot show one example of Davis, or any other pokitical head of state, saying such a thing.
To be noted, James R. Gilmore went to see Davis under the false name, Edmund Kirke, and published under the fake name Edmund Kirke, as well as under his real name.
See also: link Abraham Lincoln papers: Series 2. General Correspondence. 1858-1864: James R. Gilmore, "Our Visit To Richmond," Atlantic Monthly, September 1864.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/mal.4310600/?sp=1&r=-0.457,0.128,1.916,1.295,0
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Atlantic MonthlySeptember 1864
Regular and Volunteer Officer
Before Vicksburg
Our Visit to Richmond By J.R. Gilmore
Would you happen to have your alleged quote from a source other than a Massachusetts abolitionist Yankee officer on a military mission using a fake name?