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To: woodpusher
“I cannot see a problem with Lincoln’s speech in your post. However, you do seem to have hidden something Lincoln said by using asterisks.“

I will try to explain to you, Mr Smartass, what the problem is in the first line of the Lincoln speech. Hint: transcriber/editor f’d up. Try to concentrate for a second. To review, Lincoln’s speech began thusly:
“He [Lincoln] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about ni***rs?”

Can you see the problem now, your eminence? I gave you a hint. It’s really not that hard. You see, this is Lincoln’s speech. He is the person uttering the words. The transcriber/editor (probably a Lost causer) stuck in “[Lincoln]” in brackets. Has it occurred to you that it should be [Douglas] in brackets? Did you think that Lincoln was talking about himself when he said “he”? Of course he wasn’t. He was talking about Douglas!! The “He” that Lincoln was referring to was [Douglas]. As is clear once you read the entire speech and note where the transcriber/editor correctly puts [Douglas] in brackets. Let me straighten this out for you after lo these many scores of years have passed. Read it this way: “He [Douglas] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about ni***rs?” Lincoln was paraphrasing Douglas. Now do you understand why I double checked if I had the correct speech. There is no there there. I’m sorry dude but you have turned out to be a dud. You can take the rest of your dictum and stick it up your rectum.

437 posted on 06/23/2021 11:11:12 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: HandyDandy
I will try to explain to you, Mr Smartass, what the problem is in the first line of the Lincoln speech. Hint: transcriber/editor f’d up. Try to concentrate for a second. To review, Lincoln’s speech began thusly:

“He [Lincoln] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about ni***rs?”

Can you see the problem now, your eminence? I gave you a hint. It’s really not that hard. You see, this is Lincoln’s speech. He is the person uttering the words. The transcriber/editor (probably a Lost causer) stuck in “[Lincoln]” in brackets. Has it occurred to you that it should be [Douglas] in brackets?

This absurdity never did occur to me.

The quote is from the Carlinville Democrat issue of September 2, 1858.

woodpusher #435:

Please advise what is the cause of your confusion. How many speeches of Lincoln at Carlinville, Illinois on August 31, 1858 in The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 3, on page 77 did you find?

There is the remarkably similar content from a Lincoln speech at Clinton, Illinois but that is not at page 77 and is given in a different city on a different date.

The same may be said for the remarkably similar content in the Lincoln speech at Elwood, Kansas, but that was more than a year later, in a different city, and also not on Volume 3, page 77.

I cannot see a problem with Lincoln’s speech in your post. However, you do seem to have hidden something Lincoln said by using asterisks. Perhaps you quoted Wikipedia rather than the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln.

Of course, the fifth Lincoln-Douglas debate was entirely different, on a different date, in Galesburg, Illinois, at Volume 3, page 77, page 235. There, Lincoln denigrated the Mexican race.

You state the transcript of the speech of Lincoln at Carlinville was wrongly attributed to Lincoln due to a f'up by the transcriber.

The Lincoln speech at Clinton, Illinois of September 2, 1858 was made in the Bloomington Pantagraph issue of September 3, 1858. And lo and behold, Lincoln was quoted thusly,

The questions are sometimes asked, "What is all this fuss that is being made about negroes?"

The Lincoln speech at Elwood, Kansas of December 1 [November 30?] , 1859, a year later was reported in the Elwood Free Press, December 3, 1859. Reported as having occured on December 1, some historians claim it occcurred on the night of November 30. In his opening remarks, Lincoln is reported as having stated,

People often ask, "why make such a fuss about a few *******."

So, three different newspapers, reporting speeches given in three different cities, each cited Lincoln saying approximately the same thing, in almost identical words, over the course of more than a year, and you attribute the one in Carlinville to an editor's mistake? Three times by three different newspapers about three different speeches, all as curated in the gold standard Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Or you just can't handle the truth.

https://digital.lib.niu.edu/illinois/lincoln/topics/lincolndouglas

Note that the Bloomington Pantagraph is denoted as a Republican newspaper. Also note that, "Lincoln edited the transcripts for the debates and published them into a book. The success of this publication helped Lincoln secure the Republican party's nomination in the 1860 race."

In the Lincoln-Douglas Debate 7, in Alton, Illinois, on October 15, 1858, in the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 3, page 317, sourced to the book by Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln spoke to Stephen Douglas thusly,

We profess to have no taste for running and catching *******—at least I profess no taste for that job at all. Why then do I yield support to a fugitive slave law? Because I do not understand that the Constitution, which guarantees that right, can be supported without it.

443 posted on 06/25/2021 9:02:12 PM PDT by woodpusher
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