Posted on 06/08/2021 7:16:33 AM PDT by rebuildus
“But for political expediency and to quell any lingering Southern resistance to continue the war and ‘’to bind up the nations wounds’’ Lincoln didn’t hang him.”
President Lincoln couldn’t have hanged him. It was impossible. He did not have the opportunity.
By the time President Davis was taken into custody, President Lincoln had passed away. Chronological complexities are just part of what makes your explanation inexplicable.
That is a very interesting comment.
Is that what you call a euphemism?
That is an interesting comment.
For the purpose of this post, let's stipulate that you are right: there is a time to put aside niceties and the constitutional amendment process and “put muscle behind a situation that a mere piece of paper will not remedy.”
The context of your “muscle” advocacy was Lincoln's use of the military to overthrow constitutional slavery. It is perhaps just coincidental that the 300,000 southerners killed represented economic and political rivals that would have been on the border of the Union states; competing with Union states.
Lincoln, you say, levied war on the states to crush immoral slavery; by your telling Lincoln “fought to free the slaves.”
Then you draw a comparison to immoral abortion, seemingly oblivious that abortion is founded on the punitive and ill-compounded 14th amendment made possible only by Lincoln bayonets - I mean Lincoln muscles.
Now this question: how many abortionists have you muscled out of existence in recent days?
Nothing that happened after “Lincoln passed away” had anything to do with Lincoln. You see there was a particular person who was connected to “Lincoln passing away”. All that befell the Nation after “Lincoln passed away” can be blamed precisely on that person. I don’t want to be the one to have to break it to you. We will never know what might have been if only Lincoln hadn’t “passed away”. We are just lucky that Lincoln, before he “passed away”, put his signature on the 13th Amendment (even though it wasn’t required). He wanted his name on it.
Jeff Davis died pro-Union? Dude, all due respect, I mean that sincerely but what are you smoking?
When Grant was ready to leave for Appomattox Lincoln told him “Let them up easy’’.
For crying out why don’t you get your head out of the clouds and learn some real history?
“When Grant was ready to leave for Appomattox Lincoln told him “Let them up easy’’.”
And I will extend the same generous terms to you when you embrace the Declaration of Independence and the glorious Constitution given to us by our Founding Fathers.
This means you will have to stop promoting blue state culture.
“Did he (Jefferson Davis) himself, consider his confederate days as treasonous? Or was he being treasonous to the South when he became pro Union.”
I am going to say something you have never heard; tell me if it is true.
George Washington fought for the British.
Later, George Washington fought against the British.
He did both things for the same reason: he loved his country.
“Jeff Davis died pro-Union?”
Well... relatively speaking.
Davis was pro-Union before 1861, but only to the degree of not himself chosing to secede.
He had no principled objections to secession.
After the war Davis considered Republican rule in the South oppressive and favored keeping blacks subservient.
“When touring the South in 1886 and 1887, Davis attended many Lost Cause ceremonies, and large crowds showered him with affection as local leaders presented emotional speeches honoring his sacrifices to the would-be nation.
According to the Meriden Daily Journal, at a reception held in New Orleans in May 1887, Davis urged southerners to be loyal to the nation – ‘United you are now, and if the Union is ever to be broken, let the other side break it.’ “
I think that’s as strong an endorsement of the Union as we’ll see from a Democrat and, indeed, we can well say that Davis here defined his party’s mission to this day: Democrats working to force Republicans to break the union.
As I see it Jefferson Davis was ‘’pro-Union’’ as Hitler was pro-German. Pro-German as he thought he should make it ‘’pro-German and we know what that lead to. Davis no doubt had his own form of a ‘’union’’ in mind aka The Confederacy with himself as it's leader and champion..
No worse a man could have been chosen to be a leader of any coalition. An obstinate, inflexible man given to public quarrels with associates combined with a towering and over inflated sense of his own superiority. As a senator from Mississippi he once declared "I make no terms; I offer no compromises''. He once reprimanded Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard for ''trying to exalt yourself at my expense''. His own wife described him as ''a nervous dyspeptic''. The guy seemed to be the physical embodiment of the Confederacy itself. But ''pro-Union''? Man, that's a stretch.
Good God, you get dumber with every post.
And get this through your head, ok?
I don’t promote ‘’blue state culture’’ Mr. Democrat.
You said Hitler.
Jeff Davis was pro-Jeff Davis.
Sarcasm escapes you, I suppose?
“I don’t promote ‘’blue state culture’’ Mr. Democrat.”
Can you cite a single federal usurpation of states’ rights since the disaster at Appomattox that you oppose?
“I don’t promote ‘’blue state culture’’ Mr. Democrat.”
Can you cite a single federal usurpation of states’ rights since the disaster at Appomattox that you oppose?
The ‘’disaster’’ at Appomattox was the South’s surrender after being defeated on the field of battle.
I oppose virtually every government agency except The Department of Defense.
“Sarcasm escapes you, I suppose?”
Well, the first time I read your comparison it did not occur to me that you might be inviting admiration of Hitler.
No thanks.
“Sarcasm escapes you, I suppose?”
Well, the first time I read your comparison it did not occur to me that you might be inviting admiration of Hitler.
No thanks.
Hitler professed love of Germany but in reality he was a monster who changed Germany into a nightmare.
Both were egotistical power hungry maniacs who were directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Davis's case and millions in Hitlers. And spare me the bullshit of "Lincoln The Despot'', "Dictator'', "Lincoln The Murderer'' or any other such bs. crap.
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