Posted on 05/13/2021 8:30:30 AM PDT by LuciusDomitiusAutelian
Hannibal was before Julius.
As for Pyrrhus, ever hear of a pyrric victory? His losses have been adopted as derision by all of western civilization.
And, of course he could not compare Julius to Alexander.
One could make a good argument for Alexander, though what history we have indicates his victories centered more on valor and determination than tactics and logistics.
Julius brought the engineers. A sea change.
The life of a Roman soldier was 99.9% walking, digging and eating.
Uhhh, JR already told me to knock it off and I did. Now look Karen, (I swear there are more Karens on the Q boards these days than in my local Starbricks), I haven’t posted on any more of their your threads since i posted my LAST comment yesterday. Got followed here today by bagster who is a serial offender. So go find someone else to cry about. I wonder how many times you bother the poor man everyday. I respect JR and you may not believe me but I’ve been around since pre-9/11. About the same time the Drudge Report became famous. Got tired of Karen’s gramma and closed my account about 15 years ago and lurked using platforms I could reach more people on. But the purge of rational defenders of the Republic across the nation and my wish not to fund the enemies of the Republic like Amazon, Alphabet Inc, et. el. has led me to re-open an account. Mistakenly decided to get some critical thinking going on that one post and was attacked as if though I were Joseph Stalin.
In my neighborhood growing up you are what we would call a tattle-tale. What they would call you in some neighborhoods I’ve spent time in a snitch. Now please leave me alone. If it makes you feel any better I truly regret having ever posted on your cult board. I have great respect for Jim and “knocked it off” just like I would if you told me to get off your property. He didn’t ask me to leave, nor did he boot me.
Now I’m here really to share history because there is an educated base here that you can actually discuss history with, and learn myself, but not on your Q boards.
Well put Mariner.
From what people have been able to deduce from the very limited resources available. The original inhabitants of Rome were really a collection of rabble from Greece and other places across the eastern Med who found a swamp on a river (Tiber) with hills that provided some amount of protection with the surrounding hills. There are tons of stories, mostly mythology, but probably some truth to it like Romulus and Remus and the Rape of the Sabines. The were dominated by the Etruscans from the north though the 7 kings and eventually deposed them and begin expanding outwards through Latium and Campagnia, then fought the mountain Samnites. They eventually took on the Latins and Etruscans and the Greek cities on the southern peninsula of Italy. I guess the short answer is we don’t really know. But I hope DNA tech will get us a better answer.
Marius’ Mules!!!! Are you familiar with the meeting of Scipio Africanus (Scipio the Younger) and their dinner with Antiochus III? Interesting exchange if true.
“When Africanus asked who, in Hannibal’s opinion, was the greatest general, Hannibal named Alexander, the king of the Macedonians because with a small force he has routed armies innumerable and because he has traversed the most distant regions, even to see which transcended human hopes. To the next request, as to whom he would rank second, Hannibal selected Pyrrhus, saying that he had been the first to teach the art of castrametation, besides no one had chosen his ground or placed his troops more discriminatingly; he possessed also the art of winning men over to him, so that the Italian people preferred the lordship of a foreign king to that of the Roman people, so long the master in that land. When he continued, asking whom Hannibal considered third, he named himself without hesitation” - Livy
Hannibal had quite the ego. I’m sure Scipio giggled as he was listening to man who he soundly defeated who was in exile in a foreign land.
Ooops, i see someone already pointed this out.
I used to work with a German fellow with the name of Antonius. He told me that it was the latin version of Anthony.
That is the golden horseshoe I was referring to. Vercengetorix did get the best of him at the Battle of Gergovia. But Vercengetorix ended up getting hauled through Rome in a Triumph and executed in the end. Are you familiar with the story of Caratacus?
He is correct. But the name actually predates the Romans and is Etruscan in origin.
Cool. I have always been interested in the historical origin of names. My kids names are from old German and French.
Due to my philandering paternal grandfathers my name is not really my name. Don’t know what my last name should be. I have traced through DNA our origins back to Scotland (almost entirely Scottish). They were protestants and got run off and settled in Northern Ireland. Nearly got genocided by the Irish (who I don’t blame, if someone squatted on my land i’d come after them too not caring about anything else). If it weren’t for Oliver Cromwell I wouldn’t be typing this. Also a tad of Scandinavian and German. All Celtic origins. WASP to the core..lol.
Cool history there.
My family left Northwestern Scotland in the 1750’s. Settled in North Carolina.
Who were the original people of Rome? They surely weren’t Italians?
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Yep they were. Etruscans (ancient Italians) civilization stretched from Tuscany, western Umbria, and northern Lazio, as well as parts of what are now the Po Valley, Emilia-Romagna, south-eastern Lombardy, southern Veneto, and Campania.
I would pretty much bet you our ancestors crossed in passing. Most of the lineage i’ve traced came in through Penn Colony. Both sides came south to VA, NC, SC, and North Georgia. The maternal side kept moving west. Most of them stopped in West Texas. Two cousins in Hawaii. lol. But my grandfather stopped and built a ranch in southeast New Mexico but most of them are spread from Lubbock through San Angelo down to Fredericksburg. My mother was born in Pecos, TX. She was 41 when she had me. I come from a military family. My grandfather enlisted at the age of 14 and went on with Pershing to get that bastard Poncho Villa till they figured out he was 14. He was then sent to the stables to keep the horses. My entire immediate family is active or retired mil. Father was an E-5 in the Air Force, spent most of his time at former Reece AFB in Lubbock TX. TAC fighter training. One of my brothers was a submariner in the Navy and my other brother was a TAC pilot in the USAF. Just about every battle in US history I can find a relative in. I am eligible for Sons of the Revolution and had some pretty high ranking Confederate officers. I am everything the left hates. And trust me, it is mutual.
Ok, hate to run. Watching my Jewish friends in the IAF and the IDF pound the mujis in Gaza. Sounds like they are going in on the ground. Prayers for the ground troops. Those camel jockies have been supplied by Iran with some pretty good anti-armor weapons.
I don’t know what you mean about “golden horseshoe”. Please explain.
I suspect you mean lucky?
“And can you, then, who have got such possessions and so many of them, still covet our poor huts?”
Caratacus
Did you go to school for that? Do you have a Degree?
A while back I thought that I could keep up and match, but you have decayed my confidence to a significant level. It is all good though. I salute you, my hero.
Please keep up the great work but stay in your Circle as Miyamoto Musashi might have also advised.
How many Posts got pulled just over here where the disruptions are simply not tolerated by the Princes of the long dead Roman Empire. Nice job of cleaning up the place?
And now back to my mostly Lurker status. Hoping to get my wheels greased up soon. I have plans, plans within plans, wheels within wheels.
See you around.
You go girl.
I was quoting Livy. It’s a great story, and you’re arguing w/ Hannibal, not me.
Hannibal, btw, per Livy, recognized that Scipio Africanus (who never lost a battle) was the greatest of them all — I mean, aside from any expected clairvoyance
Bam, you got it. Yes I was referring to the fact Julius Caesar was one of the greatest field generals in history, but he also got luck a few times.
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