find a small, preferably home-based FFL — one who still keeps paper records — and transact exclusively with that FFL dealer.
Good advice any time, but especially with a virulent anti-2A fascist (David Chipman) running the ATF.
In the sixties I worked for sporting goods stores that sold firearms. All you needed to purchase a long gun was a proper ID. The transaction was then recorded in a ledger. We regularly checked the inventory to make sure that nothing was missing. These stores are no longer in business and I wonder what happened to the ledgers. And this was in N.J.
Well, they probably have a list of guns I used to own. I had an unfortunate accident with a boat.
What about any guns that cannot be traced at all, really cold pieces?
Here is the text:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/99/s49/text
The ATF has a museum collection of violent guns it captured prior to, during or after the violent gun committed the violent crime.
Howsomever, the ATF does not have any collection of violent guns that have not committed any crimes, but it’s workin on it as we speak.
Our County Sheriff was once approached by the feds and asked for copies of concealed carry permits. He went public and said he would destroy them before he would turn them over. That was a few years back, I miss that Sheriff.
First rule of Gun club don’t talk about Gun club
Disposition includes submission of those records to the ATF National Tracing Center (ATF-NTC). Submission of these records will allow ATF to more effectively trace crime guns. The NTC requests that FFL licensees enclose a copy of the Active FFL and appropriately indicate that the records are over 20 years old. Records are to be sent to ATF, Out of Business Records Center, (OOBRC), 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405.
Before 1991, ATF kept the Out-of-Business records in paper hard copy filed at the Out-of-Business Records Center. In 1991, they began a major project to microfilm the paper records and destroy the hard copy. This project not only included the licensee's "Bound Book" (Acquisition/Disposition records), but also every ATF Form 4473, which contains name, address, height, weight, race, date of birth, place of birth, and driver's license number (or other ID). (GAO Report T-GGD-96-104, 04/25/96)
In 1992, ATF began creating a computerized "index" (based on firearm serial number and dealer license number) to the microfilmed Out-of-Business records. Data was originally captured on minicomputers and transferred to a mainframe computer database. The retrieval system, called "CARS" (Computer Assisted Retrieval System), was disclosed in a 1995 letter to Tanya K. Metaksa of the NRA. By 2000, ATF revealed they had indexed 100 million such records, with over 300 million additional records scheduled to be added over the following two years. (Commerce in Firearms, ATF, 2000) Over 400 million firearm transaction records were to be indexed by 2002 – about twice the total estimated number of firearms in the United States at that time.
According to gun rights advocates, which have long opposed any centralized, searchable registry of firearms sales, and notwithstanding the conclusions of the Government Accounting Office in 1996 that this system complied with legislative restrictions, this combination of automated and manual retrieval of individual sales records is a de facto system of registration of firearms, firearm owners and firearm transaction specifically prohibited by 18 U.S.C. 926(a), i.e., the FOPA of 1986.
By March, 2004, ATF acknowledged the existence of their advanced automated Microfilm Retrieval System (MRS) containing information on 380 million firearms with an additional 1 million firearms added per month. This system had been enlarged from the previous system (CARS) to contain not only firearm serial numbers, but the manufacturer and importer as well. Additional data fields have been added to help identify specific firearms. (April Pattavina, 2005)
More recently (since at least 2005), ATF has been converting microfilmed dealer out-of-business records to "digital images". It is not clear whether this is a digitized "picture" file of the microfilm, or a digital record of each individual acquisition/disposition. However, guns rights advocates take the position that, regardless of the storage method, and whether access to the detail A/D record is automated or manual, this system is a system of registration of firearms, firearm owners and firearm transactions prohibited by 18 U.S.C. 926(a).
In a paper presented to the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research in Geneva, Switzerland, published in 2003, Gary L. Thomas, Chief, Firearms Programs Division, ATF, discussed the planned digitization of Out-of-Business dealer, importer, and manufacturer records, mentioned the projected cost, and noted it would not require any legislative or regulatory changes. Shortly thereafter, the digitization project appeared in the Congressional Appropriations Bill.
From the 2005 Appropriations Bill:
Conversion of Records. The conferees recognize the need for ATF to complete the conversion of tens of thousands of existing Federal firearms dealer out-of-business records from film to digital images at the ATF National Tracing Center. Once the out-of-business records are fully converted, search time for these records will be reduced significantly. The conference agreement includes $4,200,000 for the ATF to hire additional contract personnel to continue the conversion and integration of records.
However, according to guns rights advocates, Appropriations Bills since 1979 have prohibited centralizing these same records:
Provided, That no funds appropriated herein shall be available for salaries or administrative expenses in connection with consolidating or centralizing, within the Department of Justice, the records, or any portion thereof, of acquisition and disposition of firearms maintained by Federal firearms licensees:
In the 2008 Appropriations Bill, the Tiahrt Amendment further restricted the disclosure of data from the Firearms Tracing System.
The Tiahrt Amendment is a provision of the U.S. Department of Justice appropriations bill that prohibits the National Tracing Center of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation.[1] This precludes gun trace data from being used in academic research of gun use in crime.[1] Additionally, the law blocks any data legally released from being admissible in civil lawsuits against gun sellers or manufacturers.[1]
The Tiahrt Amendment was first added by Todd Tiahrt (after whom it is named) to the 2003 federal appropriations bill. It was signed into the law as part of this bill on February 20, 2003. It was subsequently broadened in October 2003 with the addition of two provisions banning the ATF from requiring gun dealers to inspect their firearm inventories and requiring the FBI to destroy background check data within 24 hours. In 2004, it was altered again, this time to limit access to gun trace data by government officials, and to ban the use of such data in firearms license revocations or civil lawsuits.
As I upgrade my weaponry. I give my old stuff to family and friends. The ATF may have a record of all I have bought (and yes at gun shows too!) But trading a Nosin and cash for a Mauser among friends is not out of the ordinary. Reporting all these transactions would be racist. I can’t even be expected to get an ID. How do I go about reporting gun sales? Taxes are also something pretty complicated. I think there is a race issue with taxes.