If you are not planning on getting mrna shots, remember this as well

[ransomnote]

Am I to repeatedly quote myself proving that I did not say ‘it’ (mRNA) was a virus until you tire out and need a nap?

[familyop]

Only trying to make this perfectly clear, since I failed to do so before. Saying that “the Covid virus is a strand of RNA” is equivalent to saying that a strand of RNA is a virus. The word, is, can be substituted in meaning with the equal sign (=).

[ransomnote]

Only trying to make this perfectly clear, since I failed to do so before. Saying that “the Covid virus is a strand of RNA” is equivalent to saying that a strand of RNA is a virus. The word, is, can be substituted in meaning with the equal sign (=).
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Well you are not making it perfectly clear.

For example, the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines use a strand of DNA. It happens to be a ‘mini’ strand of DNA. That’s how some chose to describe it, to avoid glazing the eyes of those just not into it.

Saying AztraZeneca vaccine uses a strand of DNA refers to it’s composition, not what it codes for (human genome or virus).

You are wasting time on this to detract from the fact that I just posted a link to evidence that should halt vaccine administration in it’s tracks.

You are wasting MY time.

[DugwayDuke]

bagster wrote: “Cause its not a vaccine. Duh. Its one of the government vaxxer’s favorite tactics, to call a fake vaccine a ‘vaccine’. Don’t fall for it. Haven’t you been paying attention in class?”

You’re the one who has been napping in class. These are vaccines in all sense of the word. You keep falsely posting claims that it isn’t because you find those claims useful in your anti-vaxxer cult conspiracy theories.

[bagster]

You’re the one who has been napping in class. These are vaccines in all sense of the word. You keep falsely posting claims that it isn’t because you find those claims useful in your anti-vaxxer cult conspiracy theories.

Watch this.

You’re the one who has been napping in class. These are not vaccines in all sense of the word. You keep falsely posting claims that it is because you find those claims useful in your vaxxer cult conspiracy theories.

Boomerang, nukka.

[DugwayDuke]

bagster wrote: “These are not vaccines in all sense of the word. You keep falsely posting claims that it is because you find those claims useful in your vaxxer cult conspiracy theories.”

These are vaccines since they match the definition of a vaccine, they confer immunity and stop the spread. Why not post your definition of a vaccine. A definition from a credible medical source, not some anti-vaxxer conspiracy cult website?

[bagster]

These are vaccines since they match the definition of a vaccine

The definition of vaccine that CDC conveniently changed? Or the original one?

they confer immunity

They do not.

and stop the spread.

Wrong again.

Why not post your definition of a vaccine.

Maybe Ransomnote will post (AGAIN) the screenshots of the two CDC definitions, the second one to conveniently qualify this 'not a vaccine' as a 'vaccine'.

A definition from a credible medical source, not some anti-vaxxer conspiracy cult website?

I am unaware of any 'anti-covid vaxxer' cult websites. I consider any source attached to Fauci/CDC/NIH/WHO to be as credible as any Global Warming/Climate change source. I also consider people with your misinformed opinion members of the derp state government vaxxer cult.

You are being played by the derps and refuse to attend class right here on FreeRepublic and provided by the likes of Ransomnote and others free of charge.

You are willfully ignorant and insubordinate.

[DugwayDuke]

The emerging data shows they do confer immunity and they do stop the spread. You’re basing your claims on old data which said they didn’t know if it conferred immunity or merely stopped the symptoms.

IIRC, the two definitions are only significantly different to those who want to deny the vaccines are effective in stopping the spread or in conferring immunity. IOW, word games trying to make a point.

Quite frankly the anti-vaxxer information provided here by you and others is old, outdated, and based upon conspiracy theories adopted by the anti-vaxxer cult. That information isn’t worthy of the term “class”.

[Mr Radical]

OK that would explain the difference. Thanks.

[SecAmndmt]

“These are vaccines since they match the definition of a vaccine, they confer immunity and stop the spread. Why not post your definition of a vaccine. A definition from a credible medical source, not some anti-vaxxer conspiracy cult website?”

They have specifically said that the vax only reduces symptoms, not that it prevents transmission.

Ironically, vit D3 and zinc/ionophore do those things for all viral illness. Throw in Ivermectin and the cv19 infection/death rate is close to zero.

Pennies vs billions/control/economic deprivation/vax injury.

[ransomnote]

bagster to DugwayDuke; ransomnote

These are vaccines since they match the definition of a vaccine

The definition of vaccine that CDC conveniently changed? Or the original one?

they confer immunity

They do not.

and stop the spread.

Wrong again.

Why not post your definition of a vaccine.

Maybe Ransomnote will post (AGAIN) the screenshots of the two CDC definitions, the second one to conveniently qualify this 'not a vaccine' as a 'vaccine'.

A definition from a credible medical source, not some anti-vaxxer conspiracy cult website?

I am unaware of any 'anti-covid vaxxer' cult websites. I consider any source attached to Fauci/CDC/NIH/WHO to be as credible as any Global Warming/Climate change source. I also consider people with your misinformed opinion members of the derp state government vaxxer cult.

You are being played by the derps and refuse to attend class right here on FreeRepublic and provided by the likes of Ransomnote and others free of charge.

You are willfully ignorant and insubordinate.

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1. General:

"... so I think that's important to keep in mind," Ehresmann said.

She says it means even if you're vaccinated, you could still get the disease, be asymptomatic and pass it along to someone else."

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[MN] MDH reports 89 'breakthrough' cases of COVID-19 after becoming fully vaccinated; Ehresmann says 'it's not surprising'

KTSP ^ | 03/24/2021 | Brandi Powell

 

2. Specifics: Why Moderna/Pfizer Covid 'shots are not vaccines - with article excerpt below and link to explanatory video.

"Still, when a troll questions the facts in one of my articles, I don’t ignore them. No, it makes me dig further to find an even more precise, air-tight way of stating what I already said, so as to make my articles more bullet proof.

So after one troll questioned the validity of the description I provided of mRNA injections, I tried to find a description of this treatment, from a credible source, that could explain in the most explicit detail, exactly what this injection is and does.
 

I wanted a definition that not only offers precision but does it in a way that the average lay person can understand.

Remember, the vast majority of those getting this injection have done little to no research – they implicitly trust Big Pharma’s word along with that of the mainstream media that it will be safe and effective.

I believe I have found the best definition from Dr. David Martin [see Martin’s bio here] in a video he produced in late January with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Judy Mikovits.

I watched it three times and each time was able to grasp a little more of what he said. I augmented what I heard with some of my own research and can confidently present it as truth.

One thing you will absorb even on the first listen is this: The injections being supplied by Moderna and Pfizer are NOT VACCINES.

According to Dr. Martin, these manufacturers had to disguise their treatments as vaccines in order to fit them under the 1905 Jacobson v. Massachusetts U.S. Supreme Court case, a ruling that has been interpreted [some say misinterpreted] as a license for states to mandate vaccines during health emergencies.

With that background, listen to Dr. Martin explain the rest. Below is a word-for-word transcription of most, not all, of what he has to say in the above video [italics are mine added for emphasis].

 

“Let’s make sure we’re clear on something. Let’s stipulate that this is not a vaccine. We need to be very clear that we’re using the term vaccine to sneak this thing in under public health exemptions.

This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine.

Vaccines are actually a legally defined term. And they’re a legally defined term under public health law. They’re a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards, and a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is.

They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment. But if, it was discussed as a treatment it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities because then people would say well what other treatments are there?

“The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition of it, but also because it actually is the sucker punch to open and free discourse, because by saying ‘vaccine’ you dump it into a thing where you could be anti or pro ‘the therapy,’ but if you actually talked about it as a therapy, and remember, and people forget this, Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARS-COV2.

If we said we’re going to give people prophylactic therapy for the cancer they don’t have, you’d be laughed out of a room, because that’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is.

This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small packet of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen-manufacturing site.

“And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used was to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written.

And if we were honest with this we would actually call it what it is. It is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemically pathogen production action within a cell.

 

It is a medical device, not a drug, because it meets the CDRH [Center for Devices and Radiological Health] definition of a medical device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system [as it would be if it were a vaccine]. It is a physical technology. It happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

“So we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game, because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we’re going to get into a vaccine conversation.

But this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition, just like we won’t fall for their industrial-chemical definition of health, because both of them are functionally flawed and are an explicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited.

“I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers and everybody else say, ‘we’re going to fight the vaccine.’ If you stipulate that it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It is not a vaccine.

“It is made to make you sick. 80 percent of the people who get the virus are asymptomatic, meaning they have no symptoms at all.

80 percent of the people who get this injection have a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response.

In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick, and having your own cells being the thing that get you sick.”

There is more in the video and I encourage you to watch it in full.

Leo Hohmann is an independent author, researcher and journalist. His strives to , follow the facts no matter where they lead. 

Pasted from <https://leohohmann.com/2021/03/12/heres-why-mrna-injections-do-not-meet-the-legal-definition-of-vaccine/>

 
3. Cruel Irony: This attachment is NIH approved research in Pub Med explaining all trial participants and future patients receiving the Covid 'shots' should be cautioned that the 'shot' has significant risk of ADE, which would mean a 'vaccinated' person could become more ill with Covid than if they never had the 'shot.'

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

"Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). "

4. The CDC Changed the defition in March 2021 to conceal the truth.

I tracked down a quote from a prior thread in March where I had cited the CDC's definition that day, because when I checked the CDC today, they've rewritten it to avoid it being used in vaccine debates.

On 3/4/2021, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) displayed the definition of the term vaccine on its website:

"A vaccine is a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease. Immunity is the protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."

The above definition of a vaccine was compatible with standard medical practice so the physicians didn't quote the CDC, they put it in laymans terms but it meant the same thing.

Fauci has stressed a tiny portion of the true nature of these gene therapies by explaining to the public that you’d still be able to transmit the virus to others, you’d still be able to get the illness yourself, but it’s hoped that the vaccine will reduce the severity of the disease.

When the public started waking up to the fact that we were again being lied to, the CDC watered down and reformatted their definitions to mean whatever it had to mean. The CDC's now watered-down, deceptive definition of vaccine is located at the link below. 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm.

The CDC lies on demand - they were slow enough to rewrite their website this time that I got the text from it first.

The gene therapies are not specifically designed to attack Covid's version of the corona virus. Since the Covid-19 virus was not available in isolated form when the gene therapies were developed (Covid-19 has still not been isolated), the therapies were designed to respond to viruses similar, but not the same as Covid-19. So if you have had other illneses, you've probably already developed the anti-bodies you'd get from the experimental gene therapy.

[bagster]

Well, look at that. Thank you ransomnote.

I didn't expect THAT much but thanks.

Its like talking to a caveman about cell phones round here. You can post the same material over and over and over, and you just got to keep posting it. I don't think they read it.

Did you read Ransomnote's material, Dogway?

Do yourself a favor and do. It'll save you from writing such goofy stuff.

Thanks again, Ransomnote.

[bagster]

***FOR DUGWAY AND EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT VAXXER DRONE CULT MEMBER (TELL YOUR FRIENDS)***

The cliff notes taken from Ransomnote's excellent piece, in case you're too lazy to read it. With bolded text in case you're SUPER lazy.

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“Let’s make sure we’re clear on something. Let’s stipulate that this is not a vaccine. We need to be very clear that we’re using the term vaccine to sneak this thing in under public health exemptions. This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines are actually a legally defined term. And they’re a legally defined term under public health law. They’re a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards, and a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is.

[13foxtrot]

The J&J vacc is using a genetically modified adenovirus to get inside host cells to release a payload of genetic material (DNA) that uses the host cell machinery to generate the spike protein.

Like mRNA vaccines, experimental viral vector vaccines have led to several spectacular/tragic bad outcomes during experimental trials for other diseases.

Up until now, no viral vector vaccines have been approved for general/wide-scale use in humans. Though, China has approved a viral vector vaccine for emergency use against Ebola.

Whole virus vaccines (live attenuated virus or inactivated virus) are the gold standard. They produce antibodies based on the whole pathogen, not just a piece of it. I am no expert, but it seems like most of the whole virus SARS-2 vaccines are being developed in China. E.g., Sinovac is a whole virus vaccine.

“Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different virus (the vector) to deliver important instructions to our cells. For COVID-19 viral vector vaccines, the vector (not the virus that causes COVID-19, but a different, harmless virus) will enter a cell in our body and then use the cell’s machinery to produce a harmless piece of the virus that causes COVID-19. This piece is known as a spike protein and it is only found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.” https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/viral-vector-vaccine-basics.html

Interesting paper that surveys the different types of SARS2 vaccines types:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41418-020-00720-9#Sec5

[ransomnote]

Re Article Below: There have been statements about other Deep State vaccine efforts (*cough* Bill Gates*cough)in third world countries which brought about sterility. I've seen assertions/concerns about Covid10 shots, but not articles 

What is extremely ominous is how much time/money/effort/advertising/pressure the MSM and other traitors are spending to blanket the Internet with articles specifying the 'shots' do not interfere with pregnancy.

Me Thinks They Doth Protest Too Much! Especially when they defend themselves from scrutiny by reminding us that the T-cell immunity (upon which 'shots' are based) is poorly understood. That's the excuse I got when I pointed out that since its discovery in 2005, mRNA has never been made into a successful 'vaccine' 'treatment' or 'coffe table book' before Covid, and therefore it still hasn't. 

Prayers up! 

Women say they are having heavier and more painful PERIODS since getting their COVID-19 vaccines
Daily Mail ^

Posted on 4/7/2021, 4:23:47 PM by algore

Dr. Kate Clancy, a University of Illinois associate professor, said that she'd heard people had experienced changes in their menstruation since getting vaccinated Her tweet prompted other women to share changes to their own periods Several reported that they were bleeding more heavily and for longer than they had before getting the vaccine A few said they began menstruating in the middle of their cycles, days or weeks before they were supposed to Experts aren't sure why some women might see changes to their periods, and so far there is not enough data to know whether it is connected to the vaccine A small study this year found that some participants saw changes to their menstruation after contracting the virus

[DugwayDuke]

bagster wrote: “They’re a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards, and a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is.”

Except these vaccines do stimulate an immunity and they do ‘disrupt’ transmission.

[DugwayDuke]

bagster wrote: “They’re a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards, and a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is.”

Except these vaccines do stimulate an immunity and they do ‘disrupt’ transmission.

[bagster]

So Ransomnotes information didn't make a dent.

Why do people waste time trying to educate sheep.

Well, do this. Take your vax, but stop trying to force it on the other innocent sheep.

[bagster]

Just for you, as simple as it gets.

Print out, laminate, and carry on your person to show your friends.

[dayglored]

Thanks for the detailed info, very helpful!