[semimojo]

Of course a lot more information needs to be looked at but on the surface you could argue that 30 out of 15,000 is just statistical noise.

There were 14k people in each arm of the Moderna study. In the 9 weeks following vaccination 185 of those getting the placebo contracted symptomatic Covid vs 11 in the vaccine group, and the severe count was 30-0.

You can wave you hands and say statistical noise but that's not a very convincing argument.

[monkeyshine]

I didn’t wave my hand, I just said it could be viewed as noise. How balanced were the two arms relative to age or other risk factors? I am sure the data is out there and with this sample size it should be well balanced by randomization. But it’s another potential factor.

I was chatting with BeauBo about this last week - something close to 40% of people over 80 show zero immune response from vaccines in general, including these. I am told that this is normal for that age group but it’s also a little disturbing considering that the elderly are the most at-risk population from the virus.

[bagster]

There were 14k people in each arm of the Moderna study. In the 9 weeks following vaccination 185 of those getting the placebo contracted symptomatic Covid vs 11 in the vaccine group, and the severe count was 30-0.

185 to 11? Out of 14,000?

Come on, bro.