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Big Tech’s War on Free Speech
American Greatness ^ | 1/11/2021 | Edward Ring

Posted on 01/11/2021 12:08:56 PM PST by Onthebrink

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21 posted on 01/12/2021 9:48:58 AM PST by missthethunder
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I don't know why you would be fascinated with what I believe. I see the issue very like that of slavery. It may be currently legal, but it is not only morally wrong, but a grave threat to our nation's existence.

For that reason I want to forbid censorship of public speech by any large scale communications entity.

22 posted on 01/12/2021 12:26:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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For that reason I want to forbid censorship of public speech by any large scale communications entity.

I believe the 1st Amendment applies to all private entities, including technology companies. Freedom of speech means the government allows you to say, or not say, pretty much anything you want.

It sounds like you want to limit the scope of the 1st A, which I understand, but I don't agree with the notion.

23 posted on 01/12/2021 3:47:20 PM PST by semimojo
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You always flip the meaning of what I say. I would make it illegal for any large scale communications company to violate the first amendment as applied to all public speech.
24 posted on 01/12/2021 8:19:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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I would make it illegal for any large scale communications company to violate the first amendment as applied to all public speech.

Private companies can’t violate the 1st Amendment because it only applies to government (Congress shall make no law...), and you can’t just make a law forcing them to publish everything because it’s established precedent that government compelling speech is a violation of the 1st.

25 posted on 01/12/2021 8:42:40 PM PST by semimojo
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I disagree, but you already know that. We are entering an age of Fascism, and there is no daylight between private companies and government now.


26 posted on 01/12/2021 8:56:40 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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I disagree, but you already know that.

What do we disagree about? That the First Amendment applies only to government or that government-compelled speech is a violation of it?

I didn’t think either was controversial.

27 posted on 01/12/2021 9:06:58 PM PST by semimojo
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I disagree that the first amendment applies only to government. As I know the founders intent was to stop censorship, I am not going to accept an interpretation in which the words contradict the intent.

The first amendment applies to any entity which is capable of censoring American speech.

28 posted on 01/12/2021 9:31:38 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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I am not going to accept an interpretation in which the words contradict the intent.

We have the unambiguous words of the Constitution and over 230 years of real life where it's never been successfully applied to private actors yet you choose to go with your personal feelings as to what the intent was.

You don't just say it should apply, you say it does, in direct opposition to reality.

Can you imagine why debate with you could be frustrating?

29 posted on 01/13/2021 9:39:43 AM PST by semimojo
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You don't just say it should apply, you say it does, in direct opposition to reality.

In direct opposition to people telling me this is the reality.

I don't know how much you've studied the history of the courts and of law in this nation, but if you've looked at it some, you may be aware of a Supreme Court ruling that says the constitution cannot be read in such a manner as to render a clause as having no effect.

What you are claiming gives us the very censorship our founders made it clear would not be tolerated. You are reading the document in such a way as to render the first amendment as having no real effect, and this is simply wrong.

30 posted on 01/13/2021 11:26:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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You are reading the document in such a way...

It isn't me, it's 99.99 percent of everyone who's examined the issue, including in every judicial test it's had over the last 230 years.

It's OK to say you don't think it should be that way but to deny it is makes you look like a crank (not that there's anything wrong with that).

31 posted on 01/13/2021 11:45:50 AM PST by semimojo
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It isn't me, it's 99.99 percent of everyone who's examined the issue, including in every judicial test it's had over the last 230 years.

The argument "I am right because everyone agrees with me" is a fallacy. It is "Argumentum ad Popululum."

I reject as proof any claim that you are correct because other people agree with you. Proof must stand on it's own merits and not be based on popular opinion.

It's OK to say you don't think it should be that way but to deny it is makes you look like a crank (not that there's anything wrong with that).

All my life I have met few people whom I considered to be absolutely normal. All the people I know have odd quirks that seem irrational to me.

32 posted on 01/13/2021 11:54:21 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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The argument "I am right because everyone agrees with me" is a fallacy. It is "Argumentum ad Popululum."

That's why I mentioned the unanimous rulings of the courts.

Saying something is (il)legal because the entire judicial system agrees is the opposite of fallcious.

33 posted on 01/13/2021 12:39:48 PM PST by semimojo
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That's why I mentioned the unanimous rulings of the courts.

I not only do not need a court to "interpret" intent for me, I generally use the courts as a gauge to measure how wrong an idea is. Generally if the courts say it is correct, it is wrong.

The fallacy you advocate here is "Argumentum ad Vericundiam."

"Experts" have said!

Saying something is (il)legal because the entire judicial system agrees is the opposite of fallcious.

Dred Scott. Homosexual "marriage". Abortion. Banning prayer in Schools. Anchor babies. Obamacare "tax." Kelo vs New London.

The courts have an excellent track record of being absolutely wrong.

34 posted on 01/13/2021 2:56:27 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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The courts have an excellent track record of being absolutely wrong.

Perhaps, but again, we're not talking about what's right, we're talking about what's the law.

35 posted on 01/13/2021 4:36:08 PM PST by semimojo
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I am of the opinion that the law should always be moral, and if it is not, it should be abolished and replaced with one that is.
36 posted on 01/13/2021 4:50:33 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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I am of the opinion that the law should always be moral, and if it is not, it should be abolished and replaced with one that is.

And I suspect I'm not wrong in assuming it's your personal morality that you think should rule us all.

37 posted on 01/13/2021 7:08:23 PM PST by semimojo
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And I suspect I'm not wrong in assuming it's your personal morality that you think should rule us all.

Although I would certainly like to have the credit for inventing morality, I have to be honest and point out that I didn't create it. I simply acknowledge it.

And before you think i'm just being snide, I would ask you to look up the term "Natural law."

38 posted on 01/14/2021 11:35:21 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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