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To: volunbeer

“Where is the paper trail for this “subtraction”?”

This is what I am not understanding. Why do we need data anylists and statistical studies, etc to prove this. Seems to me if this is true, there should be an actual hard visual evidence of this. There should be an actual record of the votes being deducted. Something does not compute.


16 posted on 01/04/2021 8:40:41 AM PST by sunny bonobo
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To: sunny bonobo

I believe they are 1) destroying the paper trail, which is a felony akin to what Hillary Clinton did with her private email server (public records laws) and 2) refusing to allow access to the physical ballots, which is again in violation of the law.

This is why in each of these contested states they are stonewalling and refusing to allow access to the physical ballots.

The Elections Act states at the beginning that elections must be transparent to be trusted..... do you see transparency in this election?

Can you imagine the media coverage if this were reversed and Biden was the victim of fraud? It’s the law. State and federal election laws require physical ballots to be retained for a long time so that the public can have access to the ballots and records of every election to insure election integrity. The media, democrats, and republicrats would be equally outraged.

Once again, the “elites” and their useful dupes (election officials and media) are refusing transparency when it harms their cause.

We even have election officials who have refused court orders! Where is the rule of law? The elites simply ignore the law if the target is Trump. It is stunning when you think about it and there are long-term ramifications for this that people do not understand. It’s ugly.


17 posted on 01/04/2021 9:01:03 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: sunny bonobo

Here is the best explanation I can give.

The law (state and federal) states that all records of any election to include chain of custody for ballots be retained. Each physical ballot is supposed to be retained. All electronic data is supposed to be retained. All documents showing chain of custody for ballots are to be retained.

The purpose of these laws is to guarantee election integrity through transparency.

The law DEMANDS that all of this be viewed in the open during the election (did not happen) and that all records be subject to review after the election (has not happened - they are refusing access or keeping the ballot count open in January!).

The media, election officials, democrats, and republicrats are all treating this election far differently than past elections. They simply dismiss any valid claims of fraud and felonious conduct in the election. They will later admit (after the steal) that mistakes were made and changes need to be made, but most of them will refuse to acknowledge a Trump victory. They don’t care about their credibility - they want to be rid of Trump.

One irony if you remember through the haze the two weeks after the election is that they created some kind of novel probable cause standard and denied that it existed. They quickly abandoned this as more data was shown. This is silly because there is no “probable cause” or “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard in a civil proceeding!

I would argue that another irony is that there is massive probable cause of felony crimes that have been presented. In a sane world that was righteous and just, there would now be tens of thousands of criminal investigations of individuals and election officials (video from Georgia) throughout the country at both the state and federal levels. Instead, Barr said they did not see a thing and he “retired to spend more time with family”!

Despite the inexorable march of truth, they are left with one immediate option now - to present a united front and simply deny the obvious. This will not work long-term, but again, they don’t care.... they just have to continue the lie and deny for a few more weeks.

The courts are treating it far differently with their “standing” arguments. No court to my knowledge other than the one in Michigan that ordered access to data be given (which was initially ignored by the way) has heard the actual evidence. Every case has denied standing to the requesting party to include the President! The lower courts simply punt the “standing” issue to the higher courts who are dragging their feet or twisting themselves into pretzels to avoid a hearing.

This entire process is now a complete farce. The entire world is watching it play out. History is going to record it as such.

The election did not follow the law(s) in these contested counties and states “because of covid”, but they did not even follow their own laws in matters where there was no risk of “covid” so they cannot even make an exigent circumstance argument. They turned the law upside down for a single election and openly admit that they did!

The laws did not change and those who made the changes to procedures for the election had no legal authority to do so absent action by the legislatures. This is why ultimately the courts must hear these cases. They cannot tell a Pennsylvania legislator that they do not have standing - they have direct standing under state and federal law! I believe Texas and the other states did also, but here we are.

To not ultimately hear these matters would destroy the rule of law and election officials throughout the country could do whatever they want in future elections because of precedent created in this election.

The courts know they will eventually have to take up these issues, but they are kicking the can until “after the election” when they can say mistakes were made that need to be corrected prior to the next election - “Trump” will be gone.

The state legislatures are waking up slowly but surely. Initially, many of them parroted the messaging of the mainstream media. However, if you have not noticed, the legislators (even some democrats) who have sat through these hearings and heard or looked at the evidence are increasingly objecting to the election and recognizing that their authorities were illegally usurped. The facts and data are winning the argument when it is presented outside of the distortion by the media. I expect the same thing to happen when these cases finally roll into court (and they will, regardless of who is sworn in).

They can get rid of the “documents” required to be kept by law, but there are clear court precedents in numerous cases that destruction of documents in any kind of fraud proceeding is treated as an admission of guilt. To make matters worse for the corrupt election officials, there are specific laws (again, state and federal) that forbid the destruction of any document pertaining to an election.

If the courts do not act on this it would overturn centuries of precedent.... for example Goldman Sachs could hide their own internal documents and communications that show that they manipulated the precious metal markets (a real case) or that a car dealer who rolled back an odometer on a vehicle could destroy the original bill of lading (a real case) and title. In both cases, courts have determined the destruction of legal documents was a defacto admission of guilt.

Of course, DOJ pretty much already allowed destruction of documents required by law in the HRC email investigation/case, but that is a topic for another day that still needs to be addressed and the “case” never reached an actual court or judicial review. It was never brought forward.

These are not “grey” laws. They are black and white. Election laws are being violated every day with no access and transparency. They were violated in a wholesale fashion prior to and during the election just as the Trump lawsuit in PA stated.

They cannot put this genie back in the bottle. This is why the presentation by the Trump administration is so important because it will provide many Americans with the facts and data. This is why the objections in congress are so important for the same reason. This is the last chance to “stop the steal”, but it is also the best chance to get the facts on the public record outside the spin of the media.

“Trump” will get his day in court. “They” know this, but they don’t care until after Biden is sworn into office. Trump will win the battle (and history), but the real war will be over if “they” get their way and they don’t care.


22 posted on 01/04/2021 11:11:00 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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