Posted on 12/12/2020 1:33:30 PM PST by USA Conservative
Trump appeared to be referring to what is known as a contingent election, in which the House of Representatives chooses the next president if no candidate wins an absolute majority of votes in the Electoral College — an outcome that would be more likely if the results in key states were in dispute.
-Prez Trump has clearly discussed and been briefed on a strategy to contest the election via Constitutional means, first through the courts and then through House, saying at a Sept. 26 rally in Pennsylvania: “And I don’t want to end up in the Supreme Court and I don’t want to go back to Congress either, even though we have an advantage if we go back to Congress — does everyone understand that? I think it’s 26 to 22 or something because it’s counted one vote per state, so we actually have an advantage. Oh, they’re going to be thrilled to hear that. I’m sure they’re trying to figure out, ‘How can we break that one?’”
This could be an indication that this was one of his plans all along.
Trump is correct that Republicans currently control 26 state delegations and Democrats 22, with two effectively tied — although the vote occurs after a new Congress is seated in early January, so those totals could change and the margin could be even bigger.
A Twitter account called Maximus Uncensored decided to describe the possible path to retaining the Presidency!
From Maximus Uncensored
The President’s Constitutional Plan.
It involves two steps, or two fronts: First the Courts, then the House.
-The Trump Campaign, RNC, various state GOP Parties, third party organizations, are filing county, state, and federal lawsuits.
A Republic, not a Democracy. -The primary objective is to strategically get several ballots invalidated.
-However, a secondary objective is to publicly expose “corruption” in these cities to both STATE reps and US House and Senate Leaders. This is crucial. -While keeping the 73 million Trump supporters engaged and working behind the scenes.
-There seems to be a success in this, as two polls show 60% of the US now believe “fraud” occurred and only 49% believe Biden won. These polls have a 37-32 D: R bias.
-Keep in mind, MSM “calls” are merely “projections” of how a state voted in the popular vote. Strictly speaking, they mean nothing.
-Win, or lose in court, the next step is the GOP State Legislatures (SLs) in PA, MI, WI, AZ, and GA.
A Republican, not a Democracy. -On December 14, 2020, Certified Electors from each state, cast their ballots for the President and VP. What many do not realize is they vote in their home state and their vote is sealed and NOT “counted” until January 6th. Crucial point. -Now, the SLs have the Constitutional authority (under Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 and 3 U.S. Code § 2 and § 5) to appoint their own slate of Electors, loyal to President Trump, if they deem their state’s “POPULAR VOTE IS CORRUPTED”. -In other words, the State GOP Legislature of Georgia, for example, can “conclude that the popular vote has been corrupted” and appoint a “competing slate” of electors, loyal to President Trump. For example, 20 Biden Electors from PA & 20 for Trump.
A Republic, not a Democracy. -The precedent for this is the 1876 Election when SC, LA, FL, and (1 EV from OR) each sent competing Dem and Repub Electoral votes, sealed, to the archivist in D.C.
-Keep in mind, NOTHING is “counted” yet. Another crucial point.
-On January 6, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution specifies that the “President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” -That means that in the case of disputes about competing for electoral slates, the President of the Senate—Vice President Pence—would appear to have the ultimate authority to decide which to accept and which to reject. This is supported by 3 U.S. Code § 15. Hence, Trump wins. -This is a de facto check on the Electoral College, which few realize because it only happened in 1876.
A Republic, not a Democracy. -If at that point, nobody gets to 270, the 12th Amendment stipulates, “the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.” -Currently, Republicans have a state delegation majority with 26 (likely 30 in the new Congress) out of 50. Ergo, Trump wins.
-Moreover, Politico reports, “In private, Trump has discussed the possibility of the presidential race being thrown into the House as well, raising the issue with GOP lawmakers, according to Republican sources” such as McConnell, Graham, McCarthy, etc. -This would explain Sen. McConnell’s resolute backing of President Trump. It is clear, McConnell, who is shrewd and believes in raw power, knows POTUS is on solid Constitutional ground. With our help, he will hold the GOP Caucus in line. – In a contested 2020 election, like the Election of 1876, the Republican Senate and Democratic House would disagree on which electors to accept. This is called a “disputation.”
A Republic, not a Democracy. -Under the Constitution, there exists no mechanism to resolve a dispute in which the two houses of Congress cannot agree upon a certified set of electors, and there is no Constitutional role for the courts, including the Supreme Court. This is another crucial point. -Hence, Trump’s Sept. 26th references to FIRST the COURTS, then the HOUSE (see above).
-The House and Senate GOP (McCarthy & McConnell) shall argue under the language of the 12th amendment, the President of the Senate—Vice President Mike Pence—has the sole discretion… ….to break a deadlock between the Senate and the House, and to either accept or dismiss disputed electors.
-Republicans will point to the historical pedigree of the VP’s position, observing that the GOP made the same argument during the election of 1876. -Given the language of the Twelfth Amendment, whatever its ambiguity and potential policy objections, there is no other possible single authority to identify for this purpose besides the President of the Senate to act as the arbiter of any disputes and break deadlocks. -In fact, within Pence’s powers, he could either accept the competing slates of electors submitted, or dismiss them as disputed, and not have them counted. A reduced total still delivers Trump a victory BECAUSE IT DEPRIVES BIDEN OF 270. This is another crucial point. -If 270 is not reached, then under the 12th Amendment, “the House of Representatives shall “choose immediately”, in this scenario, reelecting President Trump to a second term because, as stated above, the GOP controls the House Delegation majority.
A Republic, not a Democracy.
So, what we need to do is KEEP CALLING, EMAILING, ORGANIZING, MARCHING, and FORCING the GOP at the State and Federal levels to appoint a Republican slate of electors for Prez Trump and SUPPORT HIM 1000%.
In case anyone is wondering about President Donald Trump’s plan re competing slates, he just claimed victory in PA again.
By doing this, he’s telegraphing to State GOP leaders, in his opinion “the popular vote is corrupted” and they must act.
I’m trying 2b objective in my analysis. Addendum Trump’s Constitutional Plan (See above):
-Dec. 14 the Electoral College votes, but on January 6, is when it is “counted”. -If one member of the House and one Senator dispute or “object” an electoral vote, or a state slate, both houses withdraw to debate the issue. -Now, 3 U.S.C. § 6 says “if there is “controversy” re an election, then the governor must, “as soon as practicable after such determination,” communicate, “under the seal of the State…a certificate of such determination in form and manner as the same shall have been made.” -This suggests that, if a governor is ignoring controversy, or a contested election result and not issuing a determination, and communicating it properly, s/he is breaking federal law.
-I believe this too is where objections re “certified” state electors will arise on Jan 6. -For example, the GA, AZ, and PA results, will likely be disputed by the Senate (R) because the govs of those states are AWOL, ignoring pleases for audits. Thus, their states’ results will be challenged as “unlawfully certified”.
-This will be resisted by the Dem House. -Now, under the Electoral Count Act of 1877, it is unclear if the House accepts a slate and the Senate rejects it, how to move beyond an impasse. What is clear is that tradition holds “The President of the Senate” is the tiebreaker. Ergo, Trump wins. -Therefore, if disputes are raised over MI, PA, GA, and AZ, for example, and the House (D) & Senate (R) are tied, and Pence decides to side with the GOP and throw out the slates (which he would), neither Biden nor Trump, could get to 270.
-The election results are rendered moot. -If that occurs, the 12th Amendment CLEARLY says the “US House” delegations would “immediately” choose the president, while the Senate picks the VP. -The GOP controls 26 of 50 US House delegations.
The House would reelect Trump.
-The Senate reelects Pence.
As I said earlier: we have a contested election.
We are headed toward a Constitutional crisis.
But POTUS has a Constitutional plan, rooted in federalism, to be reelected.
Pray, if you pray, and if you don’t…maybe you should start.
In any case, President Trump tweeted today that the fight has just begun so we gonna have to wait and see if these are the paths he will use to reclaim the presidency.
“Can’t V.P. Pence refuse to certify the election? What happens if he does that on Jan. 6th?”
Other then managing the proceedings and announcing the vote tally, VP Pence has no role.
Real ones? Or self-proclaimed ones? :-)
No. All VP Pence does on January 6 is count the votes and announce the totals. Throwing out one state's certified votes requires a majority vote of both the House and Senate.
Please inform: which state(s) legislatures have submitted a competing set of electors?
My research tells me zero state legislatures have done this.
My intuition tells me zero states legislatures WILL do this given how it puts a bounty on their heads by our decrepit leftist culture.
No competing electors + 270 electors for one candidate = POTUS Biden
I guess he could but if he does, "The Squad" will descend on him like a pack of wild vultures. That's why the Democrats recruited "The Squad" in the first place:
Yes. You acknowledge that could happen.
Thank you.
Nice photos!
Isn’t it surprising that conservatives who pride themselves on their knowledge of the Constitution keep getting basic facts wrong about this procedures? And isn’t it sad to watch what will inevitably be a massive letdown and a dispiriting civics lesson for most here on Jan 6th?
And trump will be an ex President on Jan 20th, 2021.
“What happens if he does that on Jan. 6th?”
Joe Biden takes the oath of office Jan 20th.
“The only set in stone date is January 20th”
Still, that date was bypassed in 1877 (IIRC) and the new president wasn’t inaugurated until March — in another highly contested election.
“Isn’t it surprising that conservatives who pride themselves on their knowledge of the Constitution keep getting basic facts wrong about this procedures? And isn’t it sad to watch what will inevitably be a massive letdown and a dispiriting civics lesson for most here on Jan 6th?”
You’re being too generous.
I’ve never before seen such delusion.
Shame on you..you don’t know that!
Everyone knows that except a few dead-enders clinging to false hope.
Yeah, I wish the outcome were different. But I cannot abide this childish belief in Santa Claus.
There are theoretical paths forward for Trump. Unfortunately, they are about as likely to happen as the 1 / 100,000,000,000,000 chance Biden had of winning mentioned in the Texas suit.
The only thing I am holding out for at this point is that Georgia is forced to follow its own election laws during the runoff. That’s really the only remotely reasonable legal course of action left for us.
Sigh.
Maybe we’ll get rid of Gateway Pundit and several others as a result.
I have noticed a substantial drop in such BS blogs in the last 24hrs.
This is not a Constitutional crisis. There is a clear path to follow according to the Constitution. This adherence to the Constitution.
The MARXIST media is fomenting a Constitutional crisis by pretending that there is no election fraud.
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