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To: wardaddy

No. The Union is perpetual and supreme. The only way out is through a constitutional amendment or winning a rebellion. You can’t just leave because you don’t like the results of an election.


21 posted on 12/09/2019 7:39:12 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran

I don’t know

I think that state of Franklin sounds good ....two new senators and electoral votes for us

You may not like partition or secession or whatever

But it’s likely in our future

Nobody has the stomach to exterminate the LEFT enough to bring it to heel


24 posted on 12/09/2019 8:13:11 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: OIFVeteran
No. The Union is perpetual and supreme.

The British Union was "perpetual" and "supreme." Our own union was built on the foundation that people had a right to self determination and that God had granted mankind the right to rule themselves.

This defacto defines the Union as dissoluble, as much as you would like to ignore what is written in our founding document.

The only way out is through a constitutional amendment or winning a rebellion.

The Declaration of Independence disagrees with your assertion, as does the ratifying statements of New York, Virginia and Rhode Island.

There is virtually no evidence to support your claim that an amendment is required, and quite a lot of evidence that contradicts this claim.

You can’t just leave because you don’t like the results of an election.

And of course this ignores the prior history and tries to encapsulate everything as a "snit" caused by the loss of an election. No dude, the election of Lincoln was merely the final straw in a long ongoing series of events in which the South was getting hurt.

You may not be aware of this, but John Calhoun was trying to get the South to leave in the 1820s, long before Lincoln ever came onto the national stage.

But as with everything else regarding the Civil war, people simply regurgitate propaganda they like.

27 posted on 12/09/2019 8:22:56 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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