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To: Political Junkie Too

Good possibility of you being right. But in the end, regardless of which member of the cabal flips, exposing WHO was unmasked is going to provide some sweeping insights into how the conspiracy worked and how the information flowed.

While the unmaskings are critically important, I still want to know more about how Spygate evolved. How far back does it go? Who were the early targets of surveillance? How did Operation Hammer work and under whose authority was it operating? These and many other questions will reveal the real scope of the illegal surveillance.

We need to know this to prevent it from ever happening again.


95 posted on 05/25/2019 2:00:45 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard; Alberta's Child
I was thinking that Power would be a soft target to flip, but then I refreshed my knowledge of her background.

She's married to Cass Sunstein, who was also in the Obama administration. He's a Harvard and Columbia lawyer, so he'd be a strong protector of his wife.

She was born in London to Irish parents, and naturalized in 1993.

She supports Palestine over Israel, and was the first American UN Ambassador to refuse to block a resolution against Israel.

She was the strongest advocate for the Obama Administration to intervene in Libya, resulting in the death of Khaddaffi.

Her husband Sunstein wrote a 2008 paper on conspiracy theories. From Wikipedia:


Sunstein co-authored a 2008 paper with Adrian Vermeule, titled "Conspiracy Theories," dealing with the risks and possible government responses to conspiracy theories resulting from "cascades" of faulty information within groups that may ultimately lead to violence. In this article they wrote, "The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government's antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be." They go on to propose that, "the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups",[37] where they suggest, among other tactics, "Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."[37] They refer, several times, to groups that promote the view that the US Government was responsible or complicit in the September 11 attacks as "extremist groups."

The authors declare that there are five hypothetical responses a government can take toward conspiracy theories: "We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help." However, the authors advocate that each "instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5)."

Sunstein and Vermeule also analyze the practice of recruiting "nongovernmental officials"; they suggest that "government can supply these independent experts with information and perhaps prod them into action from behind the scenes," further warning that "too close a connection will be self-defeating if it is exposed."[37] Sunstein and Vermeule argue that the practice of enlisting non-government officials, "might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts." This position has been criticized by some commentators[38][39] who argue that it would violate prohibitions on government propaganda aimed at domestic citizens.[40] Sunstein and Vermeule's proposed infiltrations have also been met by sharply critical scholarly critiques.[41][42][43][44]


When reading my bolded portions of the Sunstein paper, doesn't it seem to be the blueprint for the entire Obama conspiracy against Trump?

We have:

  1. The claim that Russian bots infiltrated Facebook and planted disinformation during the election.
  2. The hiring of Steele to prepare the Trump disinformation dossier.
  3. Hiding the Clinton and DNC involvement behind Perkins Coie, who fronted to Steele.
  4. Using the American media to offer the "independent rebuttal" against the Trump administration's claims of a witch hunt.

Now I think that both Power and Sunstein were deep into the planning of the whole thing, based on Sunstein's own paper on the subject.

-PJ

107 posted on 05/25/2019 2:32:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Starboard

Starboard...

Too nice and way too patient. Weakness invites aggression. Always has, always will. Standing up and pushing back are the only things that deter it. Its the old ‘peace through strength’ principle.

The Republicans are STILL not supporting our president despite the fact that he was the choice of the voters in the party who they want to lead the nation. The hard truth is that most Republicans don’t respect the will of their voters which makes them disingenuous at best, and corrupt at worst.

semantic...

The idea that an educated, entrenched elite would ever allow common citizens to control their political destiny is a ludicrous joke. The deep state goes way back; my preferred date is 1913, the year both the Federal reserve and the 16th & 17th amendments were passed. Pretty amazing, huh - monster, completely transformative legislation that changed the country as much (or more) than 1865. And 4 short years later, we’re fully engaged in WWI.

Anyway, back to the present. The notion that some dumb ass with an incredibly murky past, who served just one term as senator and then was elected president, did this entirely of his own merit and initiative ranks up there with perhaps the flat earth society. However, if one considers what happened in 1913, and then reads and understands Goebbels’ favorite author - who happened help lead US propaganda efforts during WWI - then the handling of Hussein actually isn’t close to the deep state’s greatest achievement.

So, when we step back and evaluate the big picture, one, Hussein is the least of it; two, our 5 eye allies are part & parcel; three, if Trump/patriots prevail, this will literally be like 1776 all over again, with a clean break from the past and traitors routed. One can only hope.

BUMP! BUMP!


139 posted on 05/25/2019 6:07:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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