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To: GOPJ

No, I think Trump is wrong.

Treason involves an external enemy. I think sedition.. which is conspiring or encouraging overthrow of the government is probably a more accurate charge. But, he’s right in that it should be considered as very serious.


4 posted on 11/28/2018 7:14:56 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

That’s like the difference between electronic surveillance and wiretapping.


12 posted on 11/28/2018 7:17:54 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Such as enlisting a foreign power like the U.K.?

Treason!


13 posted on 11/28/2018 7:18:13 AM PST by Gulf War One
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To: Pearls Before Swine

While they are not enemies per se, Australia and the UK are involved (Five Eyes). I believe he is right.


14 posted on 11/28/2018 7:18:52 AM PST by afterhoursarmory
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yes.


15 posted on 11/28/2018 7:19:54 AM PST by OKSooner (Whatever happened to, "The midterms are safe."?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Why do you think UK is screaming he should not declassify the FISA?


18 posted on 11/28/2018 7:21:59 AM PST by MNDude (WWG1WGAalso)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Technically you’re right!
I think Trump is using the “T word” to get people’s attention and fix in their brains that this is serious.
Use the word “sedition” and half the listening demographic falls asleep.


25 posted on 11/28/2018 7:26:08 AM PST by Reily
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Zer0 is very likely foreign, so Treason would work just fine.


29 posted on 11/28/2018 7:28:19 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I dissagree with Pearls Before Swine.

All of this involves the Muslim Brotherhood, and contrary to anything the press puts out, the Muslim Brotherhood is an external threat just as it was when American troops were put on alert for a possible extraction of American citizens from Egypt in the early eighties.

External threat component is not now and never has been missing.

Next equivocation.


35 posted on 11/28/2018 7:33:50 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Nope, definitely not treason. The constitution is explicit about the crime of treason.

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

39 posted on 11/28/2018 7:36:13 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Perhaps the fake Russia crap, that they used to "justify" their treasonous acts can be construed as an external enemy.... Form Merriam Webster:

TREASON: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family.

Can't see where it requires an external enemy....if one owes allegiance to a country and tries to usurp those legally in power, one commits treason.

54 posted on 11/28/2018 8:01:57 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I think sedition.. which is conspiring or encouraging overthrow of the government

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Could this and Trump’s recent re-tweeting a pic of the culprits be a prelude to releasing the FISA docs?


56 posted on 11/28/2018 8:12:14 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Treason involves an external enemy.

And?

It's obama.

Sedition, yes, for the rest of the group who are citizens.

63 posted on 11/28/2018 8:24:39 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

You are absolutely correct. I wish Trump and his acolytes would restrict their use of the word “treason” to its definition in the Constitution.

There is a reason that the Constitution has a narrow and explicit definition for treason and strict evidentiary requirements to prove treason.

Team Clinton and Team Obama committed innumerable crimes, but only a few are guilty of treason and such cases would be exceeding difficult to prove. Maybe Bill’s selling missile technology to China back in the 90s, but it would be impossible to get the necessary evidence. Uranium One was a criminal conspiracy, but there’s inadequate evidence to prove treason.


76 posted on 11/28/2018 9:09:50 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Treason involves an external enemy.

Would an external foreign power work? "Enemy" is a subjective term... what about the Brits - working with Russians? Does that qualify?

77 posted on 11/28/2018 9:11:03 AM PST by GOPJ (Watch for our survival: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
trea·son [ˈtrēzən] NOUN the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. ************************************************************* Since "they" did both. I think Trump's right.
85 posted on 11/28/2018 9:48:39 AM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Treason involves an external enemy.

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Every possible enemy this country has or ever could have was dumping mass amounts of money into the Clinton Foundation, purchasing favors in advance of her taking the POTUS.

Obama himself represented all of our enemy, both foreign and domestic throughout his regime.


99 posted on 11/28/2018 4:25:59 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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