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To: DoodleDawg
Lincoln wasn't the one rebelling.

Uh, yes he was. The Founders established the principle that it is a right given by God for people to become independent if they should wish it. It is part of that "consent of the governed" paradigm.

Lincoln rebelled against this principle that founded our own nation.

Sure. You forgot the "having the power" part. That's where the Confederacy was lacking in their rising up.

I thought Lincoln wanted the slaves freed even if they didn't have the power to free themselves?

It seems to me that freedom and independence is a right from God, even if you don't actually have the power to attain it.

168 posted on 02/12/2018 11:30:36 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Uh, yes he was. The Founders established the principle that it is a right given by God for people to become independent if they should wish it. It is part of that "consent of the governed" paradigm.

Uh, no he wasn't. You opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

I thought Lincoln wanted the slaves freed even if they didn't have the power to free themselves?

I thought you were talking about sections of countries rising up and forming their own government? What's slavery got to do with that? Or are you suggesting the Southern slaves should have risen up and thrown off their chains?

Regardless, to Lincoln's point. If you're going to engage in armed rebellion then it helps if you win. Our Founding Fathers did. The Southern slaveocracy did not.

170 posted on 02/12/2018 11:34:55 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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