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To: RoosterRedux
Communism was tried at Jamestown and Plymouth Colony in early 1600's with devastating results.
Understandings about the meanings of words matter.
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under 'communism' and 'fascism'. As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939,
'the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.’
That is, communism did not work in Russia, but although the government accepted that as a reality, it did not admit it. Thus, it continued to call itself “communists” when in fact it was fascist. We think of Stalin, Mao, et al as communist - but where the rubber meets the road, all “communists” are fascists.

36 posted on 11/06/2017 6:13:44 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Voluntary collectivism can be great, when practiced by virtuous people. It rarely works when practiced too extremely, and with large groups of people who don't have common self-interests.

People are entitled to organized such efforts whenever they so desire. The early church attempted to operate like this in several cases and—to a degree—with some success.

As soon as it adopts coercive and authoritarian characteristics, collectivism quickly becomes a Tyrannical abomination, rife with abuse and destined to failure.

But I'm all for like-minded people to practice it whenever it makes logical sense, and carries the potential of being beneficial.

If I'm not mistaken, there are various industry-oriented business collectives which exist (and prosper?) in the United States...

60 posted on 11/06/2017 7:39:09 AM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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