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Thoughts on Las Vegas
self | 10/3/2017 | LS

Posted on 10/03/2017 8:04:23 AM PDT by LS

Any of you who have been around FR for long know I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. As a historian, I look at evidence first and foremost, then worry about motive.

The shooting in Las Vegas has many as of yet very serious unanswered questions. Few go to motive. I believe in history if you solve the question of actual physical evidence, motives become clear.

I'm not posting links with one exception. These are readily available on Twitter, and on other threads here today, but you have seen them.

1. There now appears to be at least three, and maybe four, videos showing some sort of muzzle flash" from a lower floor on the opposite side from the 32nd floor "sniper's nest." To me, one video is totally convincing. It's about 10 seconds, but that is in my mind no doubt an automatic weapon being fired. In the more newly released video, from a phone in a car that is moving, at first I thought this was not convincing. It easily could have been a stobe light in a room. But a later, better resolution version of this video surfaced. It is NOT a strobe. It goes in "bursts." And it is about the same location as the first one I saw.

These are clearly not "reflections."

2. The immediate response from people seeking to debunk was "yeah but what about broken windows there?"

Glad you asked. This is video from TODAY: https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/915225436367462401

3. While there IS what appears to be muzzle flash from floors 4-6, so far I have not seen any video showing any muzzle flash from the 32nd floor---despite the fact this guy was using a "machine gun" and shot for over 40 minutes. Not one. Please, please: if you have this video, post it.

I find that extremely odd. There would be some sort of light from the firing position, especially from a machine gun.

4. This is NOT a dis on the Las Vegas cops. It took them an hour to get this guy. Why? They did apparently use a robot to break into his room, wisely fearing a booby-trap. However, why did they not immediately converge on the right floor? I'm only asking: could it be they didn't see any muzzle flash from there? If you saw it, you'd pretty much know immediately where to go in the hotel.

5. People near the room the shooter was in reported it. But they also reported a security guard whom the cops were chasing. (This is from an Australian couple in the very next room).

6. The audio recordings of the police call (posted on other threads here) ALL said the shots were coming from "about half-way up" (Mandalay is 45 stories, right? Is 32 "half-way up?") or "about the 15th floor." This could be simple confusion---but I go back to muzzle flash. You'd only be confused if you were relying on sound alone, which is hard to pin down.

Now, I repeat, I'm not suggesting anything other than to explain the evidence. I'm not saying right-wing, left-wing, ISIS, FBI, or the Marx Brothers. Let me give you an example of how if we just follow evidence we usually arrive at the right conclusion:

In the JFK assassination, there were for years claims of shots fired from the "grassy knoll." Then, in the 1970s, the Dallas Police located a motorcycle microphone recording of an officer who had left his mic on accidentally that day.

What did they find? FOUR distinct "pops." But when they analyzed the sound more closely three came from the Texas Book Depository area and were all the same---Oswald's gun. The fourth came from the area of the officer and was a motorcycle backfire as they started to move.

What did they NOT hear? Any other shots from the grassy knoll. By being willing to entertain the notion of a "fourth shot," historians were able to prove, in fact, there were only three.

We need to approach this very carefully without leaping to the "motivation" conclusions. Just solve three questions: are the images captured now in multiple places muzzle flash? Why are there no (so far) recorded images of muzzle flash at the 32nd floor? And why did the police scanners all place the shooting lower than it was?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: badfoil; lasvegasshooting; lvmassacre; paddockvanity
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m not disputing the strobe.

It’s been said, the lower windows open. Also, someone reported on a hotel forum a few years ago that the windows had slits or vents to allow fresh air in.


121 posted on 10/05/2017 4:04:42 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: gubamyster

The brother states he took his nephews skeet shooting and has a couple of hand guns and a long gun in a gun safe. He also had an Alaska hunting license and gun shops have said he bought guns from them. That blows the know nothing about guns theory.


122 posted on 10/05/2017 4:11:53 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: LS

The last communication with the brother was 10 years ago? Then why would Marylou bake cookies for mama? And the brother knew about the gun safe in the garage the crazy “Mrs. Kravitz” Susan whatshername told the reporters about.


123 posted on 10/05/2017 4:16:25 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Yo-Yo

Nice view of the 23rd floor but it doesn’t show anything below that.


124 posted on 10/05/2017 4:19:54 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: LS; All

Do we know if there were any shell casings found in the 2nd (smaller) room near the other broken window?
If so, were they the same kind that were found in the main suite near the other broken window that had a more direct line of site to the concert area?


125 posted on 10/05/2017 4:48:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: TruBluKentuckian

After re-watching the video countless times, inc slowed down, I have concluded you are right and I was wrong.

That is a strobe. Further, after dozens of exchanges on Twitter, I am convinced that the windows do not open out, nor is the vent strip large enough for a gun.

There was no shooter that we can identify on floors 4-6.


126 posted on 10/05/2017 4:50:13 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

There are at least some domestic Islamic groups that support antifa.


127 posted on 10/05/2017 4:58:05 PM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.s)
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To: LS

Please add me to your ping list. At this point days later all we know is people are dead, that’s all.


128 posted on 10/05/2017 5:19:17 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Thank you Free Republic. Thank you President Donald J Trump)
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To: LS

Please add me to your ping list again. Thanks.

Duchess47


129 posted on 10/05/2017 5:23:27 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: LS

https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/915225436367462401

Many thanks for the thread !


130 posted on 10/05/2017 7:37:59 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: LS

Make sure I’m on your new list!


131 posted on 10/06/2017 8:07:36 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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