HBO to Whitewash Democrat 'Confederate' Slavery

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[impetrio1]

Only certain people get to make the potential big money productions in Hollywood and they have ways to get around anything potentially uncomfortable. HBO-Game of Thrones' David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are going to make a TV movie surrounding the Confederacy and slavery.

These things have to be handled delicately and in this case, all it took was a cheap meal to get the ball rolling.

[DiogenesLamp]

The South had already announced secession before Corwin submitted his amendment.

That doesn't refute my point that Lincoln was going to make a deal with them to protect slavery if they would drop their efforts to leave the Union.

The central point here is Lincoln's malleable principles, not nitpicking of the verbiage used to illustrate that Lincoln would have kept slavery for the right kind of deal.

While we're at it, he offered to trade Virginia for all the other seceded states, which means that he had no trouble accepting the idea of states leaving the Union, if the deal was right.

He had no trouble accepting the secession of West Virginia, even though the constitution expressly forbids a state being created from the territory of another existing state.

He was a Wheeler Dealer. He would trade his previously articulated position for a new one if the price was right.

[DiogenesLamp]

That's more nonsense. The southern slavocracy was wholly responsible for the war, They whipped up a hysteria about Lincoln that painted him as an ape who was going to take their slaves away, something he had no power to do

You say he had no power to do it, in complete defiance of the fact that he did in fact do it.

Then he specifically refused to initiate hostilities, and sought a negotiated settlement,

You speak to me of "nonsense" and then you post something like this? Lincoln absolutely refused to meet with any Southern Delegates regarding the disposition of previously Federal installations in Southern territory. He repeatedly pawned them off on Steward who kept leading them down the primrose path.

Also, Lincoln did in fact initiate hostilities. He sent a fleet of Seven Warship to Charleston with orders to attack the Confederates. Again, this is something that never gets taught in school, and I didn't even know about this until last year. The Confederates knew the warships were coming because they had spies and sympathizers in all the Northern ports, and it wasn't possible to hide the fact that these warships were being outfitted for a conflict in Charleston, and their known orders were to sail there and attack the Confederates.

It was the sighting of these Warships at their rendezvous point that caused Beauregard to began attacking Sumter. Because he knew these ships had arrived to attack him, he had to neutralize the fort or be caught between the guns of the Warships and the guns of Ft. Sumter.

Lincoln sent those warships and gave them orders to attack. Lincoln therefore initiated hostilities.

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View from the deck of the USS Pawnee, one of the warships that Lincoln sent to attack Charleston.

[DiogenesLamp]

D-L also failed to mention that Lincoln’s opinion of the negro race in general were in line with the Ku Klux Klan.

It was worse than that. While living in Springfield, Lincoln was an officer of an organization dedicated to exporting blacks out of the Country.

Also, Illinois actually had laws at the time banning blacks from settling in that state.

[DiogenesLamp]

The only death as a result of the Confederate bombardment of Ft. Sumter was an old Army mule.

For a time I thought that the reason no one was killed at Ft. Sumter was because the Confederates weren't really targeting to kill anyone. I thought they were simply trying to "shock and awe" Anderson's force into surrendering, but a couple of months ago I read an account of what happened, and it was in fact a miracle that no one was killed from the Confederate bombardment. BroJoeK was right about this. That nobody was killed from the Confederate bombardment was a lucky accident. They D@mn near set the fort's powder storage on fire.

[DoodleDawg]

That doesn't refute my point that Lincoln was going to make a deal with them to protect slavery if they would drop their efforts to leave the Union.

It doesn't refute your claim of that being the reason behind it, but it does underline the major fallacy in your supposed logic. Having announced secession and adopted a constitution that protected slavery in ways never dreamed of by the Corwin amendment do you really think the southern states would meekly drop their secession and slink back to U.S. to accept the half a loaf that the Corwin amendment offered?

The central point here is Lincoln's malleable principles, not nitpicking of the verbiage used to illustrate that Lincoln would have kept slavery for the right kind of deal.

You are aware that the President has no role in the amendment process?

While we're at it, he offered to trade Virginia for all the other seceded states, which means that he had no trouble accepting the idea of states leaving the Union, if the deal was right.

Again an immense overstatement on your part. I think at one point Lincoln said he would have traded Sumter for Virginia remaining in but not for all the other seceded states.

He had no trouble accepting the secession of West Virginia, even though the constitution expressly forbids a state being created from the territory of another existing state.

The Constitution forbids the creation of a new state from the territory of an existing state without the approval of Congress and the legislature of the existing state. A part of the Virginia legislature which remained loyal to the Union and which had been recognized as the legitimate legislature of the commonwealth approved the partition. Legality of which was upheld by the Supreme Court in the Virginia v. West Virginia case.

[DoodleDawg]

While living in Springfield, Lincoln was an officer of an organization dedicated to exporting blacks out of the Country.

What organization was that?

Also, Illinois actually had laws at the time banning blacks from settling in that state.

Did Lincoln vote for them?

[DiogenesLamp]

The reason for that is because neither "fact" is of any historical significance.

I beg to differ. It is of quite great historical significance in demonstrating that we have been lied to about the asserted motivation for the war.

They are merely distorted canards bandied by Confederate apologists such as yourself.

I am not an apologist, I don't believe the South did anything wrong. I believe that this nation was founded on the principle that people are ruled by the consent of the governed, and that the governed have a right to withdraw their consent if they believe the existing government no longer serves their best interests.

As the founders led, so too did the South follow. The people who should apologize are the ones who denied to them their right to independence, and killed 750,000 people in the process, laying waste to vast expanses of land and property, and impoverishing millions for multiple generations.

The Emancipation Proclamation ended involuntary servitude throughout the nation,

This is incorrect. It ended slavery no where in the Union. It did not end slavery in captured parts of the South already under Union control. In fact, if you would read the emancipation proclamation, you will realize it specifically exempts various Southern territories because they were captured by the Union, and therefore were no longer regarded as in "rebellion."

As a matter of fact, it was so cynical in it's scope that even Lincoln's Secretary of State noted bitterly that:

"We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free."

Holding them in bondage where we can set them free? Yes, Lincoln did that.

And while we're at it, by what legal justification could Lincoln claim to exercise such power as depriving people without trial of what was regarded at the time as their legal property? In his Inaugural address, Lincoln said he had no power to do such a thing, but once he had this massive army, suddenly he decided that he did have the power to do this thing.

and as for the "deal" Lincoln "was going to make", it never friggin' happened, did it?

The South did not accept his reassurances as sufficient to convince them to remain, so no, the deal Lincoln offered never materialized.

[rockrr]

I’m not following your thinking.

Not surprising.

[DiogenesLamp]

You are aware that the President has no role in the amendment process?

You must have missed Lincoln's wheedling, bribing and threatening of the Northern States, while using Extortion on the Southern ones to get the 13th amendment passed.

Yes, he very much had a role in passing it.

[DiogenesLamp]

Again an immense overstatement on your part. I think at one point Lincoln said he would have traded Sumter for Virginia remaining in but not for all the other seceded states.

One was effectively the other. The people of Virginia would not have expected Lincoln to re-initiate another conflict elsewhere in the South, or they would have considered it a bad faith agreement.

Letting go of Sumter effectively meant letting go of the seceded states. For what it's worth I have read some very interesting articles about a representative from Virginia offering assurances to Lincoln that Virginia would agree to remain in the Union if Lincoln would let the other states be.

This meeting was after the war fleet had already sailed, and so it was therefore too late to call it back. To the proposal, Lincoln was said to have remarked, "You are too late sir!"

I think I still have that on an open tab somewhere, but I will have to find it again.

[DiogenesLamp]

What organization was that?

Why don't you look it up yourself? That way you won't have to come back at me claiming to disagree with everything I tell you.

I'll give you a bit of help though.

Did Lincoln vote for them?

Probably.

There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...

-Abraham Lincoln-June 26, 1857

[rockrr]

What organization was that?

The pretend one that the voices in DegenerateLamp's fevered brain tell him to utter.

[rockrr]

They weren’t an organization designed to “export” anything.

[sargon]

I am not an apologist, I don't believe the South did anything wrong.

Oh. My. God.

[DiogenesLamp]

Oh. My. God.

Not much of a rebuttal. Not a clear one anyway. Presumably you can inform us as to what it was you think the South did that was wrong.

All I see is a group of people that defied Washington, and then the "establishment" destroyed them with the military force they assembled from the other states.

[DiogenesLamp]

You are just a mouth.

[DoodleDawg]

You must have missed Lincoln's wheedling, bribing and threatening of the Northern States, while using Extortion on the Southern ones to get the 13th amendment passed.

I did.

[DoodleDawg]

One was effectively the other. The people of Virginia would not have expected Lincoln to re-initiate another conflict elsewhere in the South, or they would have considered it a bad faith agreement.

But that's not what you said and not what Lincoln said. Other than that...

Letting go of Sumter effectively meant letting go of the seceded states. For what it's worth I have read some very interesting articles about a representative from Virginia offering assurances to Lincoln that Virginia would agree to remain in the Union if Lincoln would let the other states be.

I'm sure they were very...imaginative.

[DoodleDawg]

Why don't you look it up yourself? That way you won't have to come back at me claiming to disagree with everything I tell you.

Had I known that you were peddling more BS - and in all honesty I should have - then I would have looked it up. But I assumed that you were talking about some sort of obscure, evil organization and not the American Colonization Society. A society whose members and supporters included Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Robert Lee, Richard Bland Lee, Henry Clay, John C. Breckenridge, and on and on. And who were involved in assisting free blacks emigrating to Africa and not "exporting" them.

Probably.

But in reality you have no idea. We'll have to stop calling you DiogenesLamp and start calling you CNN.

[rockrr]

And you are just a sphincter. Happy now?