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To: pepsionice; All
Typically, on a daily basis....things like this don’t occur.

Not to be rude, but this is a very clueless statement. I actually did a triple take...

Accidents happen all time in the military. All the time. You only hear about the ones that will make for good ratings.

When I was on the John F. Kennedy we missed a collision by 3 feet one. I watched four sailors get washed overboard from a giant wave. Three guys cut in half when an arresting gear wire broke. My division officer was killed when he flew into the ocean at 400 knots in an F14.

I was personally was blown off the flight deck of the Kennedy.

Guys sucked down jet intakes and run over by jets. We were averaging about 1 death every month. And serious injuries daily.

I was on the USS Independence when it caught fire in '83. I'm the one that reported the fire. It burned up a third of the ship and we ended up in dry dock for 6 months.

Oh, and I personally watched a helicopter lose tail rotation in the north Atlantic and take the whole crew into the ocean not a half a mile from the bow of the carrier.

My last duty assignment was an aide to the Commanding Office of Naval Operations Base, Norfolk. Part of my job was to pick up the secret and eyes only communications that all base CO's around the world get every day. These include all the threats and issues that happening around the world. I used to read them because I had clearance.

The incident reports were nearly an inch thick every day. Stuff that you will never hear about in the news. Ships hitting mines, etc...

LOL! This stuff happens every day.

The reason you were allowed to know about this is because it involved a foreign ship and there was the possibility of a foreign news service reporting it first. The Navy department obviously wanted to get out in front of the story.


17 posted on 06/19/2017 8:25:46 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper
There is a great need to learn from past mistakes. Seamanship is what NAVY means. There is also the fact that 7 (Seven) lives were lost. This not combat, it was a transit to Home Port. Near misses and Hits can not be played off as insignificant, and if as in this case, Sailors lives are lost then something needs to be changed. The sooner then the better. My theory is Manning levels on these newer USN ships is so low that personnel are EXPECTED to fill in all the spaces without adq training, or sleep. Look at the pumping stations, where are all the fire teams ? I love those new destroyers but I they were developed with the idea that less manning is the way of the future. I also believe that equipment failure may have played a part. This may have explained the lag time before reporting the inicident. If for any reason, either of these things are the reason for these deaths, then action needs to be taken. The Navy should not be in business of excusing careless behavior. If its bad ships, fix them, not enough manning? recruit more, bad equipment replace it. Lethality of a war instrument is about the damage inflicted on the enemy not itself I just hope that people who write into these posts remember that there 7 families affected by this incident.
19 posted on 06/19/2017 1:20:43 PM PDT by SmokinGun (No site given......No source...Looks a little like beef fertilizer....)
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To: StormPrepper

LOL! This stuff happens every day.
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More than that....<: <: <:

Been hearing talk about a ‘deliberate ramming’....

Knowing what a submarine with a full head of steam can do to a destroyer when rammed midships, can only figure that if the freighter was trying to sink the DDG, it would be at the bottom long about now.

And that is just taking into consideration of WHERE the DDG was hit and then factor speed and the fact it takes about 3 football field to slow one of them babies down, if the object was to sink it, she would have been sunk.

Also that is a heavily traveled sea lane area, Tokyo, Yokahoma & Yokosuka are ‘serviced’ by Tokyo Bay,


28 posted on 06/20/2017 4:08:38 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)"Everyone pleases everyone else. Some by entering a room, others by leaving the room")
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