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Trump wants NASA to send humans to Mars pronto — by his second term ‘at worst’
The Washington Post ^ | April 24, 2017 | Joel Achenbach

Posted on 04/24/2017 2:33:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Boogieman

Half the technology you enjoy on a daily basis is from us going to the Moon.


121 posted on 04/25/2017 8:11:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

122 posted on 04/25/2017 8:15:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

We should make a list...


123 posted on 04/25/2017 8:21:59 AM PDT by MortMan (Attractive physicists have an exceptional incidence of thermal presence.)
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To: from occupied ga

LOL! Lots of hydrogen and oxygen on the Moon.
Cost of their manufacture and delivery to space is assumably cheaper.
Fuel, water, and oxygen are the best early candidates for export!
Of course it’s hard to get it through to such an ignorant person that the key here is ‘a market’ for the products.

Presently there are just the demands of ISS and satellites’ fuel- which likely wouldn’t return a profit now. However some growth in demand (say, Mars exploration) will.


124 posted on 04/25/2017 10:49:23 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith
Lots of hydrogen and oxygen on the Moon.

Yes, just lying around waiting for someone to pick them up.

Of course it’s hard to get it through to such an ignorant person that the key here is ‘a market’ for the products.

What market? The Martians? The Uranians. They just hang around Uranus. There isn't any market in space in case you hadn't noticed. And before you come out with your ridiculous argument that space exploration will build a market, you need to look up the meaning of the term "circular argument."

I get tired of trying to present logic and economic realities to space kadets. They confuse science fiction with science fact. There isn't anything in space that makes it worth the cost of going there. Come up with a really good science fiction drive - like anti-gravity or some such non-existent deus ex machina device that makes space travel as cheap as ocean transport and then you enter the realm of reality. But until then your ideas are in the realm of fiction.

OR better yet, pay for lunar exploration yourself. You should be able to do that since it "pays for itself"

125 posted on 04/25/2017 11:10:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TexasGator
You've clarified it for us, then.

Those who "expose" motorcycle gangs are murderers and pedophiles.

No wonder you're in hiding. Are you going to hop the Mars rocket to escape from Federal jurisdiction? :)

126 posted on 04/25/2017 11:20:48 AM PDT by kiryandil (Americ)
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To: from occupied ga

LOL!
When someone acts such a fool I assume it’s because they enjoy being treated as one... so my mean streak tells me to make you suffer by just ignoring your deliberate silliness.


127 posted on 04/25/2017 11:22:28 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: kiryandil

You are a stalker and a thread hijacker. Please stay on topic.


128 posted on 04/25/2017 11:26:52 AM PDT by TexasGator
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And the last word:

The Mars mission will be very interesting. I think it's a one-way ticket.

129 posted on 04/25/2017 11:38:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (Americ)
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To: from occupied ga

“Easy. The fuel needed to get something off the moon’s surface HAS TO COME FROM THE EARTH FIRST.”

You can use solar and nuclear power to produce the rocket fuel on the moon.


130 posted on 04/25/2017 11:39:36 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
You can use solar and nuclear power to produce the rocket fuel on the moon.

Oh how could I forget the industrial base that exists on the moon to process fuel out of rocks - just like we do on earth. Wait -

  1. We don't process fuel out of rocks. We get oxygen from the atmosphere (missing on the moon) and hydrogen from natural gas (missing on the moon) reforming.
  2. I guess the Apollo crew missed seeing these on the moon.


131 posted on 04/25/2017 11:50:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mrsmith
When someone acts such a fool...

I enjoy unintentional irony, and every one of your posts has supplied plenty of it. Thanks.

132 posted on 04/25/2017 11:52:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mrsmith
Moon first- it’ll pay for itself.
And make a Mars trip cheaper and easier.

My question is "how?" to both.

133 posted on 04/25/2017 12:02:02 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: from occupied ga

“We get oxygen from the atmosphere (missing on the moon) and hydrogen from natural gas (missing on the moon) reforming.”

I was an O2 Tech on a nuclear submarine. We didn’t get our O2 or H2 from the atmosphere.


134 posted on 04/25/2017 12:12:33 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

No you got it from hydrolysis and you didn’t get it from rocks did you? But NASA gets theirs the way I said, and hydrolysis requires water and a LOT of energy. No water on the moon despite some dubious papers about polar radar returns, and how much does a reactor weigh and how much does the mechanism to get rid of the waste heat in the absence of an ocean weigh? I posted the picture of the NASA hydrogen tank to give an idea of how much was required.

Space kadets (a term I use for uncritical space enthusiasts) never think quantitatively when it comes to their science fiction dreams, and they never figure the cost. They always want “the government” to pay meaning they want to confiscate the fruits of the labors of their fellow citizens to pay for their silly dreams.


135 posted on 04/25/2017 2:29:14 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

The LCROSS Lunar satellite has already found significant amounts of water on the moon’s southern pole, in permanently shadowed craters. That along with an energy source is all that is needed to manufacture rocket fuel. If we really want a presence in space, we’ll need refueling stops, and the moon would make an excellent one. If we don’t, then there is no point at all to NASA. It’s of national interest, not just private. There is in fact a lot of tangible benefits to be gotten. A single asteroid can yield more valuable heavy metals than all the mines on Earth. To get them, we’ll need to do more than send probes.


136 posted on 04/25/2017 3:49:00 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The LCROSS Lunar satellite has already found significant amounts of water on the moon’s southern pole, in permanently shadowed craters.

Define "significant amounts"

137 posted on 04/25/2017 6:08:17 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Define "significant amounts"

Enough for whatever needs humans might have. It picked one crater at random and crashed a rocket stage into it, which immediately released a plume of water vapor. Some of these craters are miles across, so that's a lot of water.
138 posted on 04/25/2017 6:24:50 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Enough for whatever needs humans might have.

Oh, you don't know either.

139 posted on 04/25/2017 7:15:10 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't know where I came up with that number..
140 posted on 04/25/2017 7:31:12 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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