The Danger of Jewish Self-Hatred

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[ErikJohnsky]

Too many Jews who may be Halakhic (have a Jewish mother) think that if they convert to something else or practice atheism, they can avoid being Jewish. Too many Jews are brainwashed into pro-Palestinian propaganda that they bend over backwards to prove they don't "agree with Likud," (and use that phrase even when Likud's not in power) etc. and become self-haters. Self-hatred is a far bigger danger to Jews than intermarriage; at least in intermarriage, one parent can keep the Jewish part alive; self-haters not only hide it, but tend to become the most virulent of anti-Semites.

For those saying "how can there be self-haters in Israel," look no further than Mordechai Vanunu, who gave his country's secrets away, Ilan Pappe (a faux historian who validates Muslim/commie lies), pro-BDS activist Eran Cohen, and others.

As a Jew, I am mortified almost to death. Crazies are saying he did it to make Muslims look bad and in turn whip up support for Israel or create a perception of rising anti-Semitism to facilitate aliyah, that he somehow represents established American Jewish organizations trying to make Trump look bad, represents globalists' last stand to stump Trump, you name it. Even for Trump losing the Jewish vote by a lot, Jews rarely do this kind of thing, especially on such a massive scale, potentially. That's been the domain of Muslims, black radicals, etc.

[rmlew]

He’s a mentally ill young man, whi was deemed unfit for military duty and responded with these threats.

[miss marmelstein]

Please go lie down in a dark room with a cool towel over your head.

[mgstarr]

I’ve known too many American Jews who are JINO. They are solely cultural Jews and not at all religious.

[jjotto]

Jews will survive despite Jewish self-hatred. God has promised.

The self-hatred of the nations of Western Civilization is far more dangerous, as there is no guarantee those nations will survive.

[JOHN ADAMS]

He doesn’t suffer from Jewish self-hatred. He suffers from, among other things, a brain tumor, as well as God knows what else. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/middleeast/israeli-american-teen-arrested-jcc-bomb-threats/

I see no reason for this to be treated as anything other than a simple crime, with the basic rules applied governing intent. If he was capable of forming the intent to do the bad thing he did, he should be punished.

The one thing it was NOT is a hate crime, and in particular it was not a crime committed by white supremacists, or any other unicorns whose existence is constantly dinned into our ears by the MSM and the left (but I repeat myself) and blamed on Donald Trump, Steve Bannon or anyone else whom the left happens to disagree with.

President Trump said weeks ago that these attacks were perhaps a hoax, and he was denounced as a lunatic and a hatemonger for doing so. (Of course, he’s denounced as a lunatic and a hate monger every single day, no matter what he says, so what else is new.) Now it turns out he was, again, correct.

One thing that troubles me about this entire sorry episode and about the way it’s been treated, and used, is that anti-Semitism is actually a serious problem. By far and away, the most religiously-oriented attacks, in the US and everywhere else, are against Jews, as the FBI statistics on crime show year in and year out. Having to fight over whether these incidents are a function of Trump’s election, or his existence, is a distraction from a serious problem. Maybe, just maybe, that’s what the left intends.

[dp0622]

We Italians have the opposite problem.

We love ourselves too much :)

I got a lot of Jewish friends from Brooklyn and their middle class guys and gals that for the most part are pretty conservative.

And they’re proud to be Jewish.

They may be talking about me sometimes when they speak their old country’s language, but what I dont know wont hurt me :)

What’s more important is why are some Israeli TV shows in two languages? The home language and English? In the same show!!

I’ve watched them with my friend’s parents.

[ErikJohnsky]

even if they’re not religious, that’s not as much of a problem as the ones who have Jewish parents but who disavow both the cultural and religious aspects of it; I once knew a guy named John Goldstein (name edited for privacy) who went around telling people “I’m not Jewish, I’m German,” and even brought in a Hitler Jugend picture book to class in 8th grade to prove how “German” he was to people. A few years later, he would tell people “I’m German and Ukrainian;” too bad Germans and Ukrainians of the era didn’t consider Jews among them to be either German and Ukrainian, and most American Jews are descendants from immigrants who came from the former Russian Empire (in which Ukraine was located, tons of Jews trace their roots to Odessa, Ukraine) or Austro-Hungarian and Kaiser Empires (areas far bigger than their successors but why many Jews do have Germanesque looking surnames). And a thousand others like him, who become vehement self-haters, some who completely deny Jewish heritage, others who use it in service of anti-Zionism.

[ErikJohnsky]

Muslims are already whining “if it was a Muslim doing it” blah blah blah, even tho of course, as always, they forget that for every one of this guy, there’s 1000x Mooselimbs doing evil, and more dangerous things.

[rmlew]

I see no reason for this to be treated as anything other than a simple crime, with the basic rules applied governing intent. If he was capable of forming the intent to do the bad thing he did, he should be punished.

The one thing it was NOT is a hate crime, and in particular it was not a crime committed by white supremacists, or any other unicorns whose existence is constantly dinned into our ears by the MSM and the left (but I repeat myself) and blamed on Donald Trump, Steve Bannon or anyone else whom the left happens to disagree with.

That he is mentally ill or Jewish does not mean this is not a hate a crime. Mentally ill Jews like Richard Falk are antisemites.

President Trump said weeks ago that these attacks were perhaps a hoax, and he was denounced as a lunatic and a hatemonger for doing so. (Of course, he’s denounced as a lunatic and a hate monger every single day, no matter what he says, so what else is new.) Now it turns out he was, again, correct.
I said that he was correct that some were hoaxes.

One thing that troubles me about this entire sorry episode and about the way it’s been treated, and used, is that anti-Semitism is actually a serious problem. By far and away, the most religiously-oriented attacks, in the US and everywhere else, are against Jews, as the FBI statistics on crime show year in and year out. Having to fight over whether these incidents are a function of Trump’s election, or his existence, is a distraction from a serious problem. Maybe, just maybe, that’s what the left intends.
Sadly, you are correct.

[faithhopecharity]

he’s a mental case and needs professional help, but
yes
Jewish self-haters have been a MOST SERIOUS problem for the good Jewish people...for a VERY long time,,,,,

if someone wants to reject his or her Jewish heritage, so be it. happens in Christian families all the time, alas!

but if someone then goes out and works against the Jewish (or Christian) people...especially to the extent of trying to get them all slaughtered, murdered, annhiliated (like any Jews in SorosNazi’s JStreet or his other front groups, or in the evil BDS gang, etc.)

then that person has chosen to become an ENEMY of the Jewish (or, if working against the Church, the Christian people)

and should be arrested, tried, and severely punished.
(and yes, given any mental care that might possibly help cure him or her, okay on that, but they can get the care in prison)

there is a world of difference between being a “fallen away” Jew or Christian, and being an active enemy seeking to get Jews and Christians killed

fall away, okay its your decision
become an active enemy threat in a physical, life and death type of manner.....it is not your right to do that and you should be imprisoned or executed before you can cause many innnocent peoples’ deaths, imho

[soycd]

Some people are too retarded to see the evil of islam. They should be kept away from levers of political power.

[soycd]

>They are solely cultural Jews and not at all religious.

You don’t need to be religious to know the evil of islam or any dictatorial pious “religion.”

[soycd]

Speaking of retards and retarded filth like islam, just who are the retards refusing to sit alongside women on airplanes?

islam may be the moist retarded
“religion” but it ain’t alone in its retardness.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

You can’t allow yourself to be mortified. The phenomenon is almost genetic. You know that. It may be a cliche, but cliches are cliches for good reason in almost all cases. One cannot allow themselves to become unhinged over things one has no control over. I 100% agree with you that the phenomenon is imponderable. Dennis Prager who has been at this as long as you or I is also completely baffled as to why [as his particular manifestation] Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat, and he has said so many times. He has an explanation, but the explanation does not unboggle his mind.

[VeniVidiVici]

Heard on the radio that Jews in South Florida are worried he’s not the only one that’s doing it.

LOL! Yeah, they hope beyond hope. Sorry, another hoax perpetrated by liberals.

[ErikJohnsky]

take ur stuff back to Stormfront or 4chan.

[rmlew]

I presume you were trying to prove my point that mental illness hardly precludes antisemitism.

[ErikJohnsky]

thank you FR for banning that zapoper troll.