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To: Rebelbase

I didn’t watch the video - yet.

But I am 100% confident that we’d have beaten them even without A-bombs.

First off, on May 8, we still had the Japanese as active enemies. If we had then “gone toe-to-toe with the Russkies” (quoting Strangelovian General Buck Turgeson), all we’d have needed to do was have 10%-15% of the Naval and air forces then engaged with Japan to stay more or less in place to bottle them up. They were already on their last legs, and had no offensive capacity or force projection to speak of. The rest of our forces could have been diverted to fighting the Soviets and later, if they still had a stomach for war once we beat the Soviets, we could’ve either starved Japan or A-bombed it into surrender.

Here are the facts - we had an untouched industrial base, fully geared up for war production. 50% of the world’s industrial production at that point was concentrated in the 7 states adjoining the Great Lakes. We had more ships in our Navy than the rest of the world combined (and the 2nd biggest Navy - the Brits - would have been on our side), including about 100 full- and pocket-sized carriers, and about a million Marines. The Soviets had just lost 26 million people, and no one in Eastern Europe was too keen on being ruled by Uncle Joe Stalin in Moscow. We had 80,000 aircraft between the AAF and the Navy, and if even 3/4 of them were trainers, that still leaves 20,000 combat aircraft. Additionally, we had started producing the M26 Pershing tank near the end of the war (2,000 by the end of 1945, and that’s with no real high priority after defeating Germany in early May), and reputedly the M26 (and its upgraded configuration as the M46 Patton tank) proved to be an overmatch for the T-34-85 (pretty much the best the Soviets had in 1945) in Korea a few years later.

We could have easily - with total air and naval superiority - landed a million guys in the Soviet Far East and taken over all of Siberia, or at least taken a lot of it and destroyed anything of value to the Soviets. Similarly in the Black Sea area - throw an entire Naval Task Force with a dozen divisions of Marines and Army into their underbelly, and take over or destroy their Caucausus oil fields. The rest of the Army and AAF in Europe would have been able to systematically cut off, starve and then annhilate the Red Army in Germany and Eastern Europe. All of those bombers that destroyed bridges, roads, tunnels, rail yards, munitions factories, ports, etc., etc. in Nazi-controlled Europe would simply have shifted their efforts to 1,000 miles or so East - cut off their logistics nearly entirely somewhere in the western USSR or the eastern parts of Poland, Hungary,Romania and Bulgaria.

No contest - if we’d have had the will to do so at the highest levels of government, and if our soldiers would have been willing to follow orders, we’d have effectively ruled the world...which would have made history a whole lot different (and not necessarily better, given what republics-turned-empire have a history of becoming).


47 posted on 01/26/2017 1:59:29 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

“We could have easily - with total air and naval superiority - landed a million guys in the Soviet Far East and taken over all of Siberia”

The reality of that single sentence, which so easily and thoughtlessly written, staggers the mind. We could have easily taken over all of Siberia.
Utterly insane.


93 posted on 01/26/2017 10:04:33 PM PST by DesertRhino
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