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Posted on 12/22/2016 7:20:50 AM PST by rhett october
I know a lot of Freepers say, “Let them go! Good riddance!” But there would be a civil war if California left the union. Then there would also be a chance of genocide or massive deportation of Mexicans in California.
None of this is a joke. We have to stop this secession talk before we see the rise of secessionist terrorist groups in California and its border states. I’m not kidding.
One word:
Bankrupt!
If there was a serious push for secession, I would write letters to every major Republican Congressman urging them to support California seceding.
Of course, the first thing the commies here will do is jack up the tax rate to 50%. This will never happen (secession) but our family will leave in a heartbeat.
After going broke is a short time, California would ask for re-admission to the US....
They should be told, “I don’t think so...”
Left out of the discussion is the amount of federal taxes that California pays.
Wikipedia says that California pays $7,690.66 per capita.
That is $1,239 per California resident more than what California gets from the U.S.
It appears that California pays more federal taxes than they get federal tax revenues.
They won’t leave.
States that leave won’t ever get a Federal bailout.
The same sobering reality that dawned on the loonies in Quebec back in the ‘70’s.
This:
Exactly!
What would happen if the Federal government just took away some of that 93.6 billion in aid? Why should the rest of the country pay for MediCal for illegals?
Remove all Federal Government facilities, including military bases along with subsequent support and contracts to private firms and that brings it Way down.
The argument showing what it would take for valid secession is laid out here: https://sonsofconstitutionalliberty.com/secession-and-california/ No state is anywhere close.
However, this raises an interesting and important point. States need to assert their constitutional sovereignty and reject and nullify unconstitutional federal actions and THAT would necessitate a state being willing to forego federal funding and become financially INDEPENDENT of the feds, the way the states used to be. That isn’t secession, that is reinstating our Constitutional Federal Republic with sovereign states under the Constitution and a relatively small central government existing, as created and limited by the Constitution, mainly to protect the states from invasion.
I would let some of Kalifornica go. They would not get to force the republican interior to go with them. They also do not get key military installations including the key harbor in San Diego and free access to it.
After that, with one party rule, unlimited immigration from Mexico, it will not take long for Mexico to draw it into their orbit for re-unification. It is then not a long step to Venezuela status.
And, Kalifornica has to take their portion of the National Debt, and pay for a wall around what it is leaving.
We’d never have another Democrat President for the next 100 years.
I like the idea of CA leaving, but they must be held. Responsible for thier share of the debt. The rest of us could probably trade a corridor to and from the ports if Los Angeles and Long Beach, which would also remain in the US plus the land required to house transportation workers. That would cover a small part of what they owe. I am sure we could figure out the rest to make it work. Maybe the Sierras and central valley with thier watersheds would pick up up the rest.
CA needs to be split into 2-3 different states as the political views are so polar in the various parts. And I would not be against CA leaving the Union. Let them leave and good riddance. They can establish a socialist utopia like all the others around the world. We will buy their farm produce and sell water to them if they can run the farm collectives.
On what do you base this conclusion? The illegal immigration issue is not the same as the slavery issue. Slavery was morally wrong. Illegal immigration is morally wrong. But ending slavery and ending illegal immigration are not really comparable.
Secondly, the Civil War was fought mainly to keep the Union whole. Ending slavery was a beneficial by-product. The Union is not the same as it was in the mid 19th century. It could be argued that the North and South could really not have survived without each other. If California were to leave the Union there would no doubt be economic consequences for the rest of the nation. But, the rest of the nation can survive without California. The question for Californians is can California survive without the rest of the nation?
The author of this essay seems to have an answer to that question.
1-They would not inherit DOD assets.
2-They’d likely be taken over by Mexico, but nobody would notice the difference.
3-Dem’s would lose both the popular and electoral vote for decades to come, as CA has 54 electoral votes.
4-The rest of the U.S. would no longer be infected by CA liberalism.
5-We’d find a way to manage without their GDP contribution, given their drag on entitlement spending.
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