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“Not necessarily. Slavery was a centerpiece — the cornerstone — of the CSA, but not of the American revolutionaries of 1776”

You make it sound like the South was fighting for slavery.


480 posted on 12/05/2016 5:09:09 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth..." Alexander H. Stephens March 21, 1861 Savannah, Georgia

You make it sound like the South was fighting for slavery.

So did Mr. Stephens.

481 posted on 12/05/2016 5:14:02 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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SIR: In obedience to your instructions I repaired to the seat of government of the State of Louisiana to confer with the Governor of that State and with the legislative department on the grave and important state of our political relations with the Federal Government, and the duty of the slave-holding States in the matter of their rights and honor, so menacingly involved in matters connected with the institution of African slavery. --Report from John Winston, Alabama's Secession Commissioner to Louisiana

So did John Winston.

482 posted on 12/05/2016 5:17:16 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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"My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be." ~Davis

davis was good with it.

484 posted on 12/05/2016 5:20:26 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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This was the ground taken, gentlemen, not only by Mississippi, but by other slaveholding States, in view of the then threatened purpose, of a party founded upon the idea of unrelenting and eternal hostility to the institution of slavery, to take possession of the power of the Government and use it to our destruction. It cannot, therefore, be pretended that the Northern people did not have ample warning of the disastrous and fatal consequences that would follow the success of that party in the election, and impartial history will emblazon it to future generations, that it was their folly, their recklessness and their ambition, not ours, which shattered into pieces this great confederated Government, and destroyed this great temple of constitutional liberty which their ancestors and ours erected, in the hope that their descendants might together worship beneath its roof as long as time should last. -- Speech of Fulton Anderson to the Virginia Convention

Fulton Anderson knew which side of his bread was buttered

485 posted on 12/05/2016 5:22:50 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. -- Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention

Henry Benning was a true believer

486 posted on 12/05/2016 5:24:00 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Gentlemen, I see before me men who have observed all the records of human life, and many, perhaps, who have been chief actors in many of its gravest scenes, and I ask such men if in all their lore of human society they can offer an example like this? South Carolina has 300,000 whites, and 400,000 slaves. These 300,000 whites depend for their whole system of civilization on these 400,000 slaves. Twenty millions of people, with one of the strongest Governments on the face of the earth, decree the extermination of these 400,000 slaves, and then ask, is honor, is interest, is liberty, is right, is justice, is life, worth the struggle? Gentlemen, I have thus very rapidly endeavored to group before you the causes which have produced the action of the people of South Carolina. -- Speech of John Preston to the Virginia Convention

John Preston was in concurrence

487 posted on 12/05/2016 5:25:39 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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But I trust I may not be intrusive if I refer for a moment to the circumstances which prompted South Carolina in the act of her own immediate secession, in which some have charged a want of courtesy and respect for her Southern sister States. She had not been disturbed by discord or conflict in the recent canvass for president or vice-president of the United States. She had waited for the result in the calm apprehension that the Black Republican party would succeed. She had, within a year, invited her sister Southern States to a conference with her on our mutual impending danger. Her legislature was called in extra session to cast her vote for president and vice-president, through electors, of the United States and before they adjourned the telegraphic wires conveyed the intelligence that Lincoln was elected by a sectional vote, whose platform was that of the Black Republican party and whose policy was to be the abolition of slavery upon this continent and the elevation of our own slaves to equality with ourselves and our children, and coupled with all this was the act that, from our friends in our sister Southern States, we were urged in the most earnest terms to secede at once, and prepared as we were, with not a dissenting voice in the State, South Carolina struck the blow and we are now satisfied that none have struck too soon, for when we are now threatened with the sword and the bayonet by a Democratic administration for the exercise of this high and inalienable right, what might we meet under the dominion of such a party and such a president as Lincoln and his minions. -- Speech of John McQueen, the Secession Commissioner from South Carolina to Texas

John McQueen drew a good bead on it.

490 posted on 12/05/2016 5:27:59 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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History affords no example of a people who changed their government for more just or substantial reasons. Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity. -- Address of George Williamson, Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention

There's George Williamson response for you.

491 posted on 12/05/2016 5:29:46 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jeffersondem
You make it sound like the South was fighting for slavery.

Even worse. They make it sound like the North was fighting against it! *THAT* is the big lie in these discussions.

Charles Dickens accurately saw the truth.

"I take the facts of the American quarrel to stand thus. Slavery has in reality nothing on earth to do with it, in any kind of association with any generous or chivalrous sentiment on the part of the North. But the North having gradually got to itself the making of the laws and the settlement of the tariffs, and having taxed South most abominably for its own advantage, began to see, as the country grew, that unless it advocated the laying down of a geographical line beyond which slavery should not extend, the South would necessarily to recover it's old political power, and be able to help itself a little in the adjustment of the commercial affairs.

Every reasonable creature may know, if willing, that the North hates the Negro, and until it was convenient to make a pretense that sympathy with him was the cause of the War, it hated the Abolitionists and derided them up hill and down dale. For the rest, there's not a pins difference between the two parties. They will both rant and lie and fight until they come to a compromise; and the slave may be thrown into that compromise or thrown out, just as it happens."

They don't get to claim morality points for freeing slaves when that was incidental to their true purpose; To smash the government which threatened them economically.

504 posted on 12/05/2016 6:37:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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You make it sound like the South was fighting for slavery.

People fight for different reasons. But it is true that the secession movement in the Deep South was motivated by a desire to preserve slavery. One doesn't have to believe that every Confederate soldier -- or even most CSA troops -- fought for that reason, to recognize what drove secession and led to war.

534 posted on 12/06/2016 1:51:58 PM PST by x
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