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I can respect and acknowledge that the 1861-1865 disagreement hasn’t been discussed for a few hours. I wrote what I wrote in response to Post #111 - when said discussion was pretty much still hot and heavy. I was, at that point, pretty sick of the waste of my time in this thread due to that sub-discussion.

As to consequences: Yes, of course they existed and still exist. But (to quote a famous individual), “What, at this point in time, does it matter?” Yeah, I hate that quote, and more so the person who originated it, but that is the truth - we are in the situation that we are in right now, regardless of why. We have to deal with facts on the ground HERE and NOW, and what may or may not have happened several lifetimes ago doesn’t change the here and now. That it is interesting, and that some lessons could be learned from that history, is undoubtedly true - but maybe that should be confined to either a thread about that part of history, or a private message exchange.

Its not that I’ve ever gone off-topic on someone else’s thread - I have - but that there were SO DAMNED MANY posts about the same off-topic subject.

As to consequences: Yes, of course they existed and still exist. But (to quote a famous individual), “What, at this point in time, does it matter?” Yeah, I hate that quote, and more so the person who originated it, but that is the truth - we are in the situation that we are in right now, regardless of why.

I reject the premise that Hillary Clinton has every been correct about anything in her life. Yes, Benghazi matters. It matters quite a lot, because if we ignore it, we are going to elect a Nazi Harridan who will cause far worse destruction.

By the same token, the Wrong Turn the nation took in 1861 is still causing us damage, and it will cause us damage until we address some of the issues contained therein.

For example, we are all talking about the possible secession or ejection of states from the Union, but thanks to the mindset created by the consequences of the Civil War, you will discover that the vast majority of your fellow Americans will consider it their civic duty to violently suppress any attempts by states (such as Texas) to break away from this Wreck of a Union in which we currently live.

Do you think the possibility of a successful secession is not relevant to this topic?

I would consider a secession by Texas (et al) to be one of the possible means that the decent people of America could avoid the horrors that I see coming due to wrongheaded federal policies which are creating a fiscal and social crises in this nation.

But the minute you mention "Secession", everyone chimes in and says "That's illegal. You can't do that."

It effectively cuts off one of our most effective means of escaping the horror, so in that regard, I think the previous Civil War is very much causing us a serious problem right now.

Let me put it another way. We would have less cause to worry about an out of control federal government and wars in the street if we could separate peaceably, but there is that D@mned "Civil War" once again getting in the way of this much preferable solution.

Its not that I’ve ever gone off-topic on someone else’s thread - I have - but that there were SO DAMNED MANY posts about the same off-topic subject.

I didn't start it, but I have always felt it is very important not to let disputes of fact regarding a mater of principle pass without rebuttal.

One of the tactics that has always been used against us is a war against truth. (Men can become women, Females can serve as warriors in Battle, etc.) Defending what is demonstrably true is important regardless of in what thread one happens to be.