Posted on 04/14/2016 9:36:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Although if I did I still don't think I'd insult the veterans of Nakhon Phanom
I've read plenty enough pro-Confederate propaganda to well know there's no truth in any of it.
It's all nonsense & mythology.
I also know your mythology was designed to re-unite Southern Democrats with their pre-Civil War Northern Democrat allies, by making "Ape" Lincoln and his "Black Republicans" villains of the story.
And the myths worked great, first electing President Cleveland in 1884, followed by such notables as Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
But by the time of President Truman's reelection in 1948, your old alliance was beginning to fall apart, because Truman supported greater civil rights, and so we saw Strom Thurman's Dixiecrats carry several Deep South states.
Then in 1964, for the first time ever, those same states voted Republican -- for Senator Goldwater.
But Southern enthusiasm for Republicans has waxed & waned over the years.
In 1980 most Southern counties voted for the Democrat Georgia Peanut, Carter, and in 1992 & 96 they split their votes along old Southern Confederate vs. Unionist lines, with Appalachia voting Republican, Cotton counties voting for Democrat Slick Willie.
Since 2000 the South has been very reliably Republican, voting for Bush, McCain and even Romney.
Does that mean all the old Dixiecrats have shuffled off this mortal coil?
No, some are still with us, but they constantly chafe under the rule of Republican history, as opposed to old Democrats' pro-Confederate mythology.
And so they frequently come on Free Republic, to see if they can't get some Northerners -- anybody, anywhere - to buy into their old stuff & nonsense.
Right?
Our FRiend Pelham was just indulging in a little Liberal Projection™ - just to keep in practice.
I am commenting on the fact that most people have settled the civil war in their minds about 100 years ago.
The whole, “I am southern” thing has always made me shudder a little bit. It suggests that those raised in other parts of the country do not feel strongly about our heritage, our country, or our personal pride.
What would the response be to me saying, “I am a Northerner. In civil wars we are 1 and 0.” Do you think that would generate some comments?
So, please. Give me a break. I was not referencing his service to our country. I was referencing his arrogance and ignorance.
“I was referencing his arrogance and ignorance.”
Arrogance and ignorance? Such drivel does not warrant a reply.
save your dixie cups ... the south shall rise again
save your dixie cups ... the south shall rise again
“The whole, “I am southern” thing has always made me shudder a little bit”
Yet you go on a thread that makes you shudder in order to insult a guy who was expressing pride in his own heritage.
” I was referencing his arrogance and ignorance.”
Your humility and good manners are a credit to Puritan/yankee culture.
Moderate and conservative Republicans of the civil war era regarded the Radical Republicans as villains, and particularly dangerous ones. Some even suspected that Stanton was involved in Lincoln’s assassination.
Sorry, but the myth that Northerners LOVED the black man were just that, myths...
It’s not a Southerner’s fault that God smiled more brightly upon them, by allowing them to be born in the South.
:)
I think it’s fine for you to claim Yankee heritage pride myself if you can
Most modern Yankees are post conflict arrivals whereas southerners are not
We are without a doubt the most culturally intact white....and black for that matter populace in the nation and are 90% confederate states descended though with Yankees pouring in for jobs and refuge in general that is changing fast
I love Vermont....I knew it before city folks moved in and damaged her so
It’s a loss for sure
What I find disturbing is people such as the controversial Gov. Nikki Haley trying to destroy our history, forcing her bigotry against the South on others. In her hatred or delusional state, she even blamed the church killings on the flag.
http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/
August 9, 1960
Dear Dr. Scott:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.
General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.
From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Eisenhower
No one claims that “Northerners LOVED the black man” - then or now.
No, but the narrative is that Southerners hated blacks whilst the White Knights up North embraced them with open arms.
I have many friends from around the country who have become naturalized Southerners who laugh at the notion of racism being more rampant in the South than anywhere else in the country.
That’s not a narrative I’ve ever seen espoused at FreeRepublic.
I take that back - I have seen that promoted by lost causers here but I never took them (or the charge) seriously because it’s so idiotic.
It’s funny, old southerners are loud and proud. My ancestors came over in the 1630’s. We donated a lot to “the cause:”. Many veterans, a young man in his twenties, and a leg.
Most of my relatives spread out with the country. But the old Vermonters generally sat on the porch at the end of the day, sipping applejack, and just being happy to be alive.
Yes, it is a different culture. But we don’t see ourselves as better than anyone else.
Now, if we were speaking of Bostonians or New Yorkers....they don’t even know we exist. To them, both of us would be considered to be from bumpkin stock.
I always found it interesting when In college the Boston boys would call me a hick, and I would point out the building named after a great great grandfather.
When I said in the original comment that no one cares, I meant it. What my predecessors did has given me a sense of pride and opened a few doors, but if I spent my day bragging about them...no one would give a hoot about them—what matters is what I am.
But you weren’t bragging about your ancestors. You came to this thread and trashed NKP_Vet. That’s what people here objected to.
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