Posted on 02/22/2016 10:12:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I’m sure you can still fight, and answer a simple hypothetical.
As far as I am concerned, Trump is positioned left enough that there's not that much difference in him and Hilary. Therefore, in November I will be voting for the most conservative candidate, which most likely will be a 3rd party option (I.e. Constitution Party).
Till that point, Cruz........
As of now, I am not voting for Trump either. Never say never, but unless something major persuades me, I will write-in vote again this go around.
Bloomberg
You have not hit a nerve, I have none left in this election as has been called everything expletive known to mankind. Nothing surprises me anymore.
My decision to not vote for Trump still stands as posted, no quilt whatsoever.
LOL.. What?
No, don’t bother trying to explain what your rambling screed has to do with what I wrote earlier.
You missed my point completely. Which is OK, because I don’t really care who or why anyone votes for anyone.
You could take all of the good points and none of the bad points of all of the candidates, imbue them into one person, elect them President, and they still wouldn’t be able to stop the train wreck to which we are inexorably headed.
>> I am, says Erick Erickson
It’ll take more than one election cycle to exorcise the GOP-e.
Trump has 60% un-favorability, he will face Hillary, his faux supporters will abandon him and viola Hillary. Why should I help him, he was predestined to lose.
Thanks for your voice, hope many many more will dare to expose what they will do.
Till that point indeed TED CRUZ 2016....
The gopE always says “Join us in our fight against ....” This time we’re saying to the gopE “No, you join us.”
>>”answer a simple hypothetical.”
I honestly don’t know. I could sit it out.
For the first time in my life, I don’t know if I can support the GOP nominee.
I’ve voted republican since Nixon. Proudly at times, holding my nose at other times. I supported the nominee against my choice even when it was Ford, McCain and Romney.
I argued and worked for them against others who wanted to sit it out and vote with their feet. But at least Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney held some conservative positions or pretended too. I could at least see the continuance of core conservative values - the movement that began when I was young and only the New Deal and Great Society existed in public consciousness.
It took a great deal of time and effort and struggle to build the conservative movement.
If Trump is the nominee, that is gone. The conservative movement will have to start all over.
If it’s Trump vs. the liberal democrat, I see very little choice; two big government, anti-constitutional, foreign policy, economic disasters. A debate on who can manage big government the best, who will screw up foreign policy the least, who will tank the economy the quickest.
Be shot or be hanged. “A Tale of Two Cities”: “Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
It’s a choice between unhappiness. Worse, a choice of which way to damage America.
Ill fight against turning this country over to the Clinton Crime Family. We had a lot of candidates to choose from and the process will work to find the “right” one to face the RATS. This year, thankfully, the DC elites arent buying the election as we see with the fall of Bush. Trump, Cruz and to some extent even Rubio shows people arent buying the same ol crap.
From the whole Eric Erickson article:
"Already we are seeing pastors and religious leaders compromising their integrity [and I add souls] to vote for Donald Trump. Jerry Falwell, Jr. has joined the whores of Moloch, defending Trump's Planned Parenthood statement on Twitter. Falwell presides over an institution that expels students who have abortions, but is willing to give positive lip service to Trump saying there are good things Planned Parenthood does.
"If Trump were elected President, there would be members of the pro-life movement who would compromise their convictions for access to power.
"If Trump were elected, portions of the conservative movement would compromise the movement to be one degree from Donald Trump. The intellectual institutions on which we have made our case for limited government and freedom would crumble.
"And on top of it all, the oligarchs would be just fine. They would coddle and humor a President Trump, a man of mountainous ego, and get their way while the very people Donald Trump promises to help would get table scraps."
Table scraps like the beautiful, wealthy Atlantic City which prospered and had lower crime rates after it, too, aligned itself with the morality of Trump. Table scraps like the town in Scotland where the greatest golf course in the world saw a 200 job increase and has since been left behind because the great creator and builder lost another lawsuit.
We live in a time of gay "marriage", transgendered bathrooms, and an unAmerican President.
Normalcy just don't enter into it.
You could take all of the good points and none of the bad points of all of the candidates, imbue them into one person, elect them President, and they still wouldn’t be able to stop the train wreck to which we are inexorably headed.
This we can agree upon. America has drifted so far from honoring it's supreme maker that it probable has slipped beyond being helped.
I still am fighting to see that I don’t end up with that nightmare choice. Ultimately though, I would rather not have my fingerprints on the final destruction of our freedoms and the conservative movement or on the building of the fascist government that Trump would implement. Thus I would vote third party if forced to choose between Trump and a democrat. The only thing that would change my mind is if Trump nominated someone that I could trust to reign him in as VP and even then I am not sure that I could vote for him. I would be afraid that I was helping to elect an American Mussolini.
Erickson is no longer owned by Salem Media, which is why he left Redstate. He’s all Cox now, and is struggling to find relevancy and keep his fame-level up.
It seems kind of ironic for someone working on his Masters in Biblical Studies, to publicly admit he doesn’t hold strong principles. You’d think the Bible & principles would go together.
Who is threatening you, you dumb shut in? Just telling you a fact. Go around betraying the country just because the nominee isn't pure enough won't gain you any friends.
I find it interesting that you boast about a vast reservoir of facts (you shouldn’t worry about turning blue unless you’re narrating everything you type) but you fail to produce a single one for the purposes of our discussion here. On the contrary, I simply don’t share your celebrity worship of Donald Trump that can summarily dismiss any criticism or scrutiny of him on the basis that its anti-Trump and therefore doesn’t have to be addressed.
I gave you three facts: Donald Trump was interviewed on CNN in 2004 and made the observation that on most issues he identifies as a Democrat and that the economy does better under Democrats, Donald Trump went on Greta Van Susteren’s show in 2009 lauding Barack Obama for his massive stimulus packages (strong, smart, and finally someone in office who knows what they’re doing), and Donald Trump loves to send out those tweets that tell of how he knows Hillary Clinton and she’ll make a great President.
I posed a very likely scenario where the DNC will neutralize Donald Trump easily by using his very words against him. If I’m working on a Trump ticket coming out of the Convention and those ads start popping up...I wouldn’t have any effect way to counter it nor would you from the lack of response. Outside your tiny puddle, you’ll find your product sells about as well as Trump Vodka did.
Your candidate managed to unseat Hillary Clinton with a whopping 60% negative rating and has only averaged 31% in three states of Republican voters. Donald Trump will likely have a tough time turning out the base as you conceded (derisively) and there’s no reason why Democrats and Independents are going to him. He’s suceeded in only fracturing his own party and Democrats love the type of campaign Trump will offer them tagging him with their usual labels that he’ll walk right into.
I don’t see him as a conservative, as the better choice, or electable in the general election. I say that as someone that’s extremely conservative on immigration. You’re making a huge mistake if tou think he knows what to do or that his Presidency would be marked vy any fidelity when it comes to conservative causes.
The 7 principles of the Constitution Party.
1. SANCTITY OF LIFE
Life for all human beings: from conception to natural death.
2. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM & PERSONAL LIBERTY
Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual.
3. FAMILY
One husband and one wife with their children, as divinely instituted.
4. PERSONAL AND PRIVATE PROPERTY SECURITY
Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden.
5. CONSTITUTION PARTY PLATFORM
The Founding Documents interpreted according to the Actual Intent of the Founding Fathers.
6. STATE SOVEREIGNTY
Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people.
7. FOREIGN POLICY
American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, with no entanglement in foreign alliances.
For more details:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
I’m not quite as pessimistic about Trump as you are, even though I’d much prefer Cruz.
It’s true that Trump doesn’t have any core philosophical underpinnings that guide him, but he still strikes me as having more old fashioned american values than Hillary. So for me, if it’s between those two, it would be a no brainer. And if it’s between him and Sanders, than it’s a slam dunk.
There’s no question in my mind that he would control immigration (both mexicans and muslims) much more than Hillary. And to me that’s a big deal because demographics have a powerful impact on the nature of the country.
I also like the way he’s taken a sledgehammer to political correctness and multiculturalism. Those are some of the most corrosive forces to our culture. He hasn’t bowed down to Black Lives Matter, to the feminists, to the muslims, and all the other victim groups.
He also has a talent for emasculating the media. He’s the only one that hasn’t cowed down to them, and plays them like a fiddle. This is another huge plus, because the propaganda organs are the most powerful and influential enemies of our traditional values.
On the economy, there’s no way he can be worse than Hillary.
And his foreign policy stance also makes quite a bit of sense. If Russia wants to exterminate ISIS, more power to them.
He sounds protectionist on trade, but I think that is just an opening bid in his deal making. My sense is that he just wants to put some pressure on nations such as China and Japan to remove their barriers against our exports. Nothing wrong with that.
Anyways, just my take on the Donald. And in the back of my mind there’s even a little hope that, who knows, he could be a pleasant surprise.
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