Posted on 02/16/2016 6:29:36 AM PST by Col Vit
Actually I think Trump is right. The war in Iraq was contrived and we were lied to. Bush and the Neocons were talking about going into Iraq even before 9-11 happened.
You are right.
Trump is the candidate that stirs emotion rather than conservative thought (or any thought at all, I suspect). Try as I might, I can not convert the emotions he stirs into a thoughtful vote for Donald Trump. I have really tried, but it just does not work.
Trump Praises a Communist: A New York (Values) State of Mind...
“I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York,” Trump said. “I think he is going to want to make New York great.”
http://joeforamerica.com/2016/01/trump-praises-communist-new-york-state-mind/
That same evening, Trump excoriated then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as “very sad.” Trump also called Hugo Chavez, then president of Venezuela, “a lot smarter than” Bush. “Chavez is obviously very cunning,” Trump explained in 2007. “I mean, beating our president at every step of the game.”Â
On Nov. 6, 2008, Trump praised President Barack Obama as “inspiring in every way” and declared that the then-newly-elected Democrat “cannot do worse than Bush.”Â
Yes, Bush lost the Iraq War, he did so by having absolutely no plan on what to do once the open conflict had ended. There was never any doubt that the US would rapidly win the hot war. However once that was over, Bush and his Neocon Sycophants lost that war. Did Obama handle what he was handed correctly? Nope, but don't kid yourself, Bush policy created a disaster for no real reason, cost Trillions of dollars and thousands of dead. We were on the ground in IRAQ longer than we were on the ground in Japan following WWII... that's absolutely insane. If you want to try to lay that failure at Obama’s feet you are a fool.
The war was lost before Obama came to office, because, quite simply, Bush Policy had no idea what to do or how to handle Iraq post Saddam. SO many horrible decisions were made in the wake of the victory that Iraq was a failed state by the time Obama was elected... and like it or not.. was a big part of why Obama got elected in the first place.
That's reality folks, and as much as a small fragment of die hards want to try to pretend otherwise, and as much as the GOPe wants to pretend that its not that way, that is not only where most americans are, its where most republicans are on the war. They supported it at the time, but it was not worth it, and there is no doubt that bad information was trumped up as fact.
Now, on to why is Trump winning... this is just something some folks here, and a lot of folks in the punditry and establishment just don't want to accept. Trump is winning because the mask is off the Uniparty. Obama came to power, and did the crazy leftist things he said he was going to do... Left had control of everything... In 2010 Republicans retook the house... should have taken the Senate too, but some nut job folks were put up that cost enough to keep the Senate in Left hands.... And the Republicans did NOTHING... Reid ran inteference, but the leftist insanity continued.... 2012 retained house, gained in senate... leftist continued.. 2014 retained house, gained senate.... Still leftist continues...
Republicans have betrayed their electorate, They did not stand up to Obama in any major way... Since 2014, haven't done a damned thing either. Talk talk talk, but don't fight. Roll over.
Both parties just continue to betray this nation and its principles and people.
Trump is winning because the fact the fix is in is beyond obvious to the electorate. They are sick of it. They see liberal v conservative bicker for elections then go to Washington and collectively sell this nation down the toilet for the puppetmaster money men they both are owned by. Trump's message is one of simply putting America First.... not a difficult one... Taking Trump out is simple, just coop his message, yet, here we are, in February and no one has... why? Because they can't... the folks that back them will never let America be first... their interests and Americas are not in alignment. Their goal is to pad their pockets, not put America first.
Those here arguing against Trump just aren't getting it. They want an ideological battle, but that's not where we are. Arguing about the ideological direction of the nation, when both sides are simply selling the nation down the toilet is a non starter.. its smoke and mirrors... When neither side is putting America first, within their ideology, it doesn't matter which ideology wins, you wind up with a net loss.
Trump is showing the Republican party how to win, and win big, but the powers that be are so worried about protecting their fiefdoms that they just don't see it. Cruz is out there trying to argue ideological purity, and that's not going to win... in my entire life I have never seen a presidential election won by that argument alone. Even Reagan didn't win by simply going out saying I'm the best/most conservative. The Establishment Politicians are relying on history to hopefully pull them over the line... IE... folks have always just pulled the lever for us, enough of them will this time too. Trump's message is simple... anyone could coopt it, yet in spite of him winning, none of the others are even trying... what does that tell you about the others? America doesn't come first, pleasing the money men does. I am amazed, amazed, how many people just can't, or refuse to read the obvious... They act like Trump and his support is some grand puzzle, its not. It's quite simple... this is the peoples country, not the political class' country. They have betrayed them often and routinely enough that the people have had enough. Whenever both parties start to realize and put America first again, then arguments of conservative or liberal ideology can be had, but within the context of neither side putting the nation and her people first, that argument is pointless.
>> Don’t deceive yourself. <<
You’re making that suggestion to a Trumpster? Really?
You gotta be kidding.
Wait a minute, I know you dislike Trump and that’s fine, but what you wrote is so incredibly wrong. 1. In all of his rallies and speeches he continually talks about surrounding himself with the best and brightest minds the country has to offer. That isn’t stupid or ego centric by any definition. 2. He has turned whatever he was left by his father in to a billion dollar business to the point where is is FREE of the need for PAC money. Again brilliant because it leaves him be holding to NO man or group.
Instead of concentrating all this hate on Trump why not the system which has it rigged (through money in lobbies and pacs) against you and I into accepting the GOPe candidate.
Finally it isn’t hubris if you can do it.
TRUMP: I WAS PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/12/trump-i-was-the-establishment-video/
I’ve had a lot of former and current military tell me the same thing, including my son.
I believe original intent of Founding Fathers was to be sure the candidate had no divided allegiance and always put our country first.
I am sorry that this has not been stated more clearly nationwide and constitutionally updated to current reality,,, IT HAS NOT! ( Courts should interpret NOT MAKE law)
Eligibility:
So, can I say a child of future citizens at birth is OK?
So, can I say a single citizen parent who MAY have given up citizenship or accepted another, as well, to get on voting rolls in a second country is OK? ( not considering father at all)
Unseasoned...you are right I was thinking Carson and his medical background and soft demeanor. I was not thinking flamboyant Trump and his history in business deals so large I can not contemplate them.
Kasich?? I do not see a winner there either.
I am sure we both want the best for the country, and to defeat the other party that we despise , but who is there to back that I am missing?
The most sacred duty of a President? Protect the nation.
I remember Cheney's promise..."Help is on the way." We were promised administration by adults. W had access to all his father's brain trust. Cheney was a former Chief of Staff and Secretary of Defense. I assume they recognized the threat, WHICH THEY DID NOT CREATE. Who, really, says they were the masterminds of 9/11? That's straw man nonsense. Stop it please.
The Algore nonsense put the new administration behind schedule. Tom Daschle played prevent defense with administration appointees. Trent Lott rolled over and peed on himself.
A President needed to stand on his hind legs and say, "Tom Daschle and the Senate are playing politics with the security of the nation. Trent Lott is MIA."
Had W taken them to the woodshed the history would be much different. Had they not responded history would show they were responsible for leaving the nation undefended. Rove would have achieved his generational realignment.
No, W was committed to his d@mnable "New Tone." He was going to be the President of all the people. He was going to show good manners. He chose (poorly, in my opinion) and the Twin Towers burned. They were a casualty of what we now call the Establishment.
Trump is correct..."The Buck Stops Here." A Presidential election is the proper place for this discussion. Trump, God bless him, is raising all kinds of uncomfortable truths. The only question in my mind?
We're being offered a change. Can we recognize it as such, or will we as a whole remain stuck in out plantation mentality?
Trump gets marked down on style points...I DON'T GIVE A D@MN. He's out there on an island. I said months ago it would be a miracle if he won because he had to take on the RATS and the LSM and the 'intelligentsia' and his own party, and sadly...those who should have the sense to be this allies.
The Bushes have been cancer for America.
Hard to argue that. We are still feeling the effects of their crimes.
When I heard him say that he could shoot someone on the streets of NY and his followers would still follow, that's when he lost me. I know he said it in jest? Not funny not a believer.
I happily appreciate your satiric sense of irony, but let's carry that Trumpistic "reasoning" to its logical conclusion:
We should probably vote for Bernie, because alone among all the current major contenders, he voted against the war after being "lied to" by Bush.
Bush 43 doubled the national debt from $5 trillion to $10 trillion; he expanded Medicare with the Prescription Drug Program that represents an unfunded liability of $7.3 trillion; he signed McCain-Feingold; he supported amnesty twice (Hagel-Martinez in 2006 and McCain-Kennedy in 2007); he lost control of Congress in 2006, which the Reps had held since 1994); and he was a globalist who supported free trade without demanding a level playing field. We are living with his mistakes today. The Bushes are not conservatives; they are Big Government Reps.
Bush 43 has come out of the witness protection program to foist another Bush on the country. 20 out the past 35 years we have had a Bush as President or VP. Bush 43 was MIA when it came to defending his Iraq policy thus allowing the Dems to control the narrative. And Bush failed to speak out against Obama's premeditated failure to reach a SOFA in Iraq and use it as a pretext to bug out negating a huge sacrifice of American blood and treasure.
I support Trump, the real outsider left except for Carson. We need a real fighter who will get down in the mud and the blood and the beer to win at any cost. The GOP has lost the popular vote in five out of the last six elections including Obama's two highest vote totals in US history. The GOP is a dying party. A loss in 2016 will destroy the party and the country. The Dems are on the cusp of being the permanent majority party. Demography is destiny.
“Unseasoned - That wipes out Cruz, Rubio, trump, and Carson.
By that reasoning, the only ones qualified to be president are those who have already been president. Obama is seasoned, Hillary is seasoned (by marriage), Bush is seasoned (by family).
But Trump, as CEO of a huge company, is not. “
That is exactly my point. Based on the OP, it pretty much weeds out all of the above. Glad we don’t vote based on those three criteria!
Agree 110%
I came across this film...kinda opened my eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UO3nn7awUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UO3nn7awUk
The 9/11 Commission was a joke.
Good point? I don’t buy it...unless it IS the formula (from C.S. Lewis) about Jesus. He ALONE is the Man of Truth in whom there is NOTHING false. Scripture has a resume of men and women who bust up the formula of either/or. God swore a sure oath to David and what do you know, we find he is “a man after God’s own heart” in REALITY...despite failing the human formula test (i.e. “he was really a craven adulterer and murderer and warmonger and did you SEE his rotten kids?!?!?”, etc.).
After Israel was set aside, there are no theocracies recognized by God. Just instituted governments (see: Romans for both points). They do their job when they use the sword given for restraining evil. Man is fallen, something fallen man likes to forget. From this delusion springs all utopian schemes.
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