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To: bigbob

You hit the nail directly on the head. Cruz supporters seem to think we Trump supporters dislike Cruz.
At least until recently, for me, that wasn’t the case at all. Cruz is as good a conservative as you might find. His insurmountable problem is that he’s foreign born.
What’s one thing we agree upon? That successful candidates seeking to take possession of the offices of the presidency or vice presidency must be natural born citizens. We have never elected a candidate born outside the USA. What does that tell you?
That generations of Americans have considered Americans who are not not born in America to not be natural born citizens.
What does this mean? That Cruz can’t be Trump’s veep either.
And that reminds me. Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship after running for president. Has he ever confirmed that he is an American citizen?
Sorry to bust your chops with all these “laws”. But some of us want to return America to what she was before Obama. Ignoring the law is a bad way to start, a poor foundation upon which to build.


46 posted on 02/05/2016 8:54:40 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

Except that “law” has not fixed what the meaning of “natural born citizen” actually means. None of the case citations typically presented in these arguments are binding as to that definition. All dicta, no ratio decidendi. Vattell’s definition is not in the constitutional text. The opinions dealing with various citizenship issues have never had to decide, not even once, whether a person is NBC for purposes of constitutional office. Much of the legal academic opinion that is cited here refers to the more certain cases, but does not exclude the edge cases.

On top of all this, if the founder’s opinion of the matter is of any importance, the one time they spoke on the matter statutorily, in the 1790 Naturalization Act, they, the founders, approved of a foreign born child born to one citizen parent as being a natural born citizen.

Furthermore, because Congress and the electorate provide an adequate means of determining candidate eligibility, very likely no court up the chain will be interested in taking this case, as any conclusion they produce will likely be stuck down in SCOTUS as wrongly taking up a nonjusticeable political question.

So as I’ve said many times now, if folks want to nail this down, waiting for the judiciary to do it is a nonstarter. You’d have to do it by passing a constitutional amendment, something for the Article 5 Convention folks to consider.

Peace,

SR


128 posted on 02/05/2016 10:19:53 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: tumblindice
...We have never elected a candidate born outside the USA.

It is far from obvious to me that Obama's obviously forged birth certificate proves he was born in the USA.

184 posted on 02/05/2016 11:50:16 PM PST by CurlyDave
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