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To: RC one
Are you going to go take a look at the statute that links were provided for, or not? I ask that since your reply came so quickly it made me wonder if you did, and then consider it.

The language there appears quite clear, to me.

Nothing which you just sent overwhelms it, for that portion of the Code which I'm trying to draw attention to is the most explicit.

How can explicit wording be set aside by going far afield of it?

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth --- is either the present law of the land in this regard, or it is not.

If it is not, it is not by merely citing to me yet other mentions of past law, and quotations from individuals regarding the laws, when we have actual Code that is quite narrowly specific as per Cruz's own particular conditions of birth.

That portion of the laws of the land would most certainly need be consulted, and then if set aside in any portion, those set-asides need be justified at each step along the way -- or else the U.S. Code produced through Representative government is near entirely worthless, and the government itself be invalidated.

Where would it end?

You wrote;

Does not say this artificial contraption of your contemporaneous devising, which contraption includes mention of "naturalization act" as something of a red herring.

Are you trying you distract me (and others too) or first and foremost yourself in order to salvage your previous statements?

Cruz is not a citizen of the United States due to himself becoming a naturalized citizen, but instead due to the clarification of the laws -- in regards to Constitutional language which we should by default assume was known to all the various 'framers' of this portion of U.S. Code -- was naturally enough by dint of birth to a U.S. citizen himself born as a citizen of the United States.

The only possible hang-up I can see which remains, is that he well enough(?) could have been born with dual citizenship.

Yet since he never has renounced his own U.S. citizenship, then from birth retained that citizenship.

173 posted on 02/05/2016 11:16:46 PM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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To: BlueDragon; bushpilot2

[[8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth -— is either the present law of the land in this regard, or it is not.

If it is not, it is not by merely citing to me yet other mentions of past law, and quotations from individuals regarding the laws, when we have actual Code that is quite narrowly specific as per Cruz’s own particular conditions of birth.]]

That perfectly sums up what I’ve been dealing with bushpilot as well- citing old cases, citing old quotes-


174 posted on 02/05/2016 11:22:25 PM PST by Bob434
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To: BlueDragon
His US citizenship is derived and defined by a naturalization statute. His Canadian citizenship is derived by natural law and the common law. Ted Cruz is a US citizen. he is not a natural born US citizen. he is a natural born Canadian citizen. Nowhere does the US code use the words Natural Born Citizen. the constitution does however and those words have a specific and well understood meaning. They very specifically mean that none but a native born citizen would be eligible to be POTUS and the common law term used for native born citizen is natural born citizen.

That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, A very respectable political writer makes the following pertinent remarks upon this subject. Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it.

St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES (1803)

180 posted on 02/05/2016 11:34:13 PM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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