I have to ask, when a tyrannical government no longer has any legitimate moral authority and is busy with imposing tyranny and arresting and executing citizens it declares terrorists - at what point should we realize that it is better to die fighting than begging on our knees for mercy from a despotic beast?
Why do we refuse to recognize tyranny at the hand of the Beast in Washington?
If this was 1774, would we be writing that the Colonists at Lexington Green acted completely wrong? That they should have never been on the Common and never assembled in formation against the British Regulars after that first command from Pitcairn to disarm and disperse? That they should have NEVER fired that first shot at a superior British force and NEVER should have resisted when the British regulars charged with bayonets and skewered John Parkers men?
I'm just curious as we denounce those who actually stood in defiance of tyranny as being stupid. Had the Colonists lost Concord, I am sure the historical analysis would be about the same as it is being levied against Bundy and Finicum right now.
The fact they stood at all should be of primary importance to consider, rather than the tactical error they may have made leaving the refuge in the first place.At some point we have to resist, because the longer it takes for us to do so, the less chance we have to preserve what liberty we have left, and eventually our own lives.
Evading ambushes are not grounds for surrender.
The fact is, much of the Revolutionary War was a series of ambushes set up by the Redcoats, and of Washington's miraculous escapes from one set of ambushes after another.
At some point, we have to begin wrapping our minds around the fact that the State is imposing despotism upon us. We are being ambushed every day by the cabal in DC. Look what was done to the Hammonds. Do we surrender to it, or resist it?
Because that is where we have arrived, whether we would admit it or not. Resistance or acceptance.
Do any of us want war? No. No sane man wants war.
But what is worse, is good men doing nothing in the face of evil and tyranny. At least those folks in Oregon made an effort, and the policies of tyranny being imposed by the Fedzilla in Washington has a few more folks aware of what is being done with impunity to the folks who raise your steaks and hamburgers.
Let's not kill the reason there was an armed protest in Oregon to begin with, by declaring what they did as stupid and foolish. Because if we do, any just cause to resist what is being systematically done to us will perish before it is ever born. And that is EXACTLY what Mordor on the Potomac wants to make sure of.
Resisting despotism and tyranny is our duty, even if the State and the majority say it's stupid.
I was in the Army and I am pretty familiar with ambushes. This was not an ambush designed to kill - it was plan to arrest people away from the public (and away from the guy in the video I posted above and others possibly like him) in a spot where innocents were unlikely to be harmed.
As a result, 7 of 8 people were arrested. The one who was killed fled in a vehicle (a felony in every state and community), jumped out of the vehicle after it became stuck ignoring commands (always a bad idea), and appeared to reach down while armed (yeah, I know - many disagree because it’s easier for them to believe the officers got up that morning and wanted to kill someone). I can’t reasonably see how blaming law enforcement for this is any more rational than blaming the cop who dealt with Micheal Brown in Ferguson.
The goal of law enforcement was clearly to arrest the individuals in the vehicle who were engaged in a whole host of felony conduct. I suppose a felony stop can be an ambush in that law enforcement tries to select the best spot, but it is NOT an ambush designed to kill - it was designed to arrest.
Perhaps the officers (who most likely preferred to be home with their families and policing their own communities) should have walked up to the barricades at the wildlife refuge and proposed duels at 20 paces?
This is ridiculous.
You are not alone. I’m glad one other person sees the parallels. thanks for speaking up.
He died a PATRIOT, fighting against tyranny. May he rest in peace.
INVAR, this was not Lexington and it is not 1776.
We do not have federal troops quartered in out house. We have representation from people we elect. We do not have a King, and we have a Judicial System, and a Constitution, and a Bill of rights.
The colonists had none of those things.
The people at Lexington Green did lose...and they lost badly. It was at Concord that they turned the British around...and at that point it was open warfare.
This was not.
Lavoy was not stupid...he just made mistakes...and tragically, those mistakes cost him his life.
I have explained myself ad nauseous on this and anyone who wants to see my own feelings can simply read my own page on this on my own home page:
http://www.jeffhead.com/lavoy.htm
I pray the courts will look into the people who managed and ordered this stop when it was completely unnecessary.
We have plenty of recourse left in this country INAR...and a big one is coming this fall when we hopefully will have been successful in turning the Executive Branch over and elect a new President dedicated to turning this around.
We have done so in the past when we preplaced Carter...and the Clinton...and now we will do so again when we replace Obama.
we have already turned over the House and Senate and we need now to solidly the gains there with stronger majorities and with the type of people who will not play footsies with the liberal progressives.
Those are very real things that are within our power...which the colonists could not do at the time...so they were forced to fight.
One day we may be forced to fight. I pray we can use the means those people and many others shed their life’s blood for to turn it around short of that.
I now include Lavoy in that number. What he was protesting and defending needed doing. But he did not need to die that day...that happened more due to his mistakes than any blood lust on the part of those officers.