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How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?
Misadventures in Diversity ^ | 11/25/15 | Donald Joy

Posted on 11/25/2015 11:57:19 AM PST by IChing

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To: IChing

I’ve given you links to read the law. In your position you should do that before you ever come to Oklahoma. Maybe its different where you are.


101 posted on 11/25/2015 1:57:55 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Salvavida

Who do you suppose wrote the article that you either didn’t read, didn’t comprehend, or both? You haven’t had the relevant training, btw.


102 posted on 11/25/2015 1:59:20 PM PST by IChing
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To: VerySadAmerican

Any intentional discharge of a firearm with respect to a suspect is a use of deadly force, even if the target is missed. Legally any use of deadly force must be justified by law and circumstances. An intentional “shooting to wound” is still a use of deadly force and must fit the same legal criteria as if the suspect dies. BTW, suspects can die of a wound thru shock or blood loss.

I know the role that perception plays in cases like this, but in the legal sense, one round or 16 amounts to the same legally.


103 posted on 11/25/2015 1:59:23 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: IChing
How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?

One must ask.. does Laquan have blog?

Is Laquan trying to divert traffic to his blog?

104 posted on 11/25/2015 2:02:39 PM PST by humblegunner (NOW with even more AWESOMENESS)
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To: IChing
Non-lethal cover a variety of tools. I can guarantee you 100% 2 or 3 rounds of rubber or plastic shotgun rounds the suspect is going down fast.

In places like LA, they carry them in the trunks of vehicles etc., and if they have time to deploy them, they will use them. Like they should have in this incident, since they had plenty of time.

105 posted on 11/25/2015 2:03:57 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: IChing
A premeditated design under our law need not be entertained for any appreciable length of time. It may be a design formed instantly before committing the act by which it is carried into execution. The time requisite to constitute premeditated design may not be distinguished from the act of killing, although it may be said to precede the act. Premeditation is an intent before the act of killing. It means entertainment by the mind of a design to kill, and is often defined as "thought of beforehand, any length of time, however short." However, the word "premeditatedly" does not mean "thought of" in the sense of "thought over."

Here is part of the code ... I've clipped it from the website I gave you a link to. It is what it is... whether we think it is a correct interpretation or not. Premeditation is deciding to kill someone, and then doing it. It does not require planning, lots of thought, etc..

106 posted on 11/25/2015 2:04:10 PM PST by kjam22
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To: IChing

May I suggest you have a nice Thanksgiving. I am not in the mood to have this argument. Let’s just call it a day, have a drink, and eat turkey.


107 posted on 11/25/2015 2:04:25 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I had student debt. It came from a bank. Not from the Govt.)
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To: kjam22

Exactly. Malice. Not self-defense or defense of others, which also require thought. You have to learn to be precise.


108 posted on 11/25/2015 2:05:03 PM PST by IChing
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To: vpintheak

Read the article and watch the video. Pay attention.


109 posted on 11/25/2015 2:06:22 PM PST by IChing
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To: kjam22

You have to put yourself inside his head for premeditation. There has to be proof he decided to kill. That’s hard to do. It’s just as likely he panicked in the heat of the moment and emptied his magazine. We don’t know.


110 posted on 11/25/2015 2:06:51 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Win or Lose, Still a "12"!)
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To: IChing

Based on the video... I think self defense will be difficult to argue. Defense of others? Who specifically? The public at large?? Whatever.


111 posted on 11/25/2015 2:07:03 PM PST by kjam22
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To: SandyInSeattle

You have to decide it was his intent to kill in every single case. Shooting him 16 times will make it tough to argue that it was an accident.


112 posted on 11/25/2015 2:07:57 PM PST by kjam22
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To: kjam22

why not 3 foot batons?


113 posted on 11/25/2015 2:07:58 PM PST by BillM (.)
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To: IChing

The guy was walking away. After he was shot, he fell to the ground. It appears the “threat” ended at that point. And this cop had 16 complaints? No excuse.


114 posted on 11/25/2015 2:09:08 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
It appears the “threat” ended at that point

Now that's a thought that makes sense and is consistent with the law.

115 posted on 11/25/2015 2:10:11 PM PST by kjam22
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To: kjam22

You obviously missed what I said at the end about juries, media, public, etc...especially juries.

Oh, the horror, he used “excessive” deadly force after he’d already fatally shot him....


116 posted on 11/25/2015 2:10:24 PM PST by IChing
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To: kjam22

I’ve stated my opinion. I’m not going to spend time arguing on the internet about it.


117 posted on 11/25/2015 2:11:12 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Win or Lose, Still a "12"!)
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To: kjam22

No, the problem is that you misrepresented the law. Self-defense is intentional also, but without malice. Your sloppy blanket definition regarding thought is the issue.


118 posted on 11/25/2015 2:12:51 PM PST by IChing
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To: IChing

The part that you are missing is that the number of shots will be used to establish intent. It will be difficult to argue that he did not intend to kill the guy when he shot him 16 times. So now you have to watch the video and determine if it was self defense, defense of someone else etc. To make the shoot justifiable. If you can’t come up with some really good reason to justify killing this guy... something that makes sense to a jury, and is consistent with the applicable law... it is what it is guy. I know you’re the expert. But the internet is filled with people who went to jail for a long time for lots less than shooting someone 16 times.


119 posted on 11/25/2015 2:13:31 PM PST by kjam22
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To: vpintheak

They could have easily deployed a number of very effective non-lethal weapons on the suspect. They had lots of time here.

See the female at #105


120 posted on 11/25/2015 2:15:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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